if MD reads this was Adam Shields advailable as they both live in poole and could have travelled together for this match!!!!
To be honest SDB, Adam was asked to be on standby for last nights meeting but alas was unavailable to ride and is currently in Poland with Leszno. He was also on standby for last Mondays SKY meeting and of course was at Swindle ready to race for the rainoff. They asked Adam last Tuesday if he could standby for the Wolves fixture so my guess would be that the Eagles would have had another rider lined up in case Dave could not ride.
if MD reads this was Adam Shields advailable as they both live in poole and could have travelled together for this match!!!!
To be honest SDB, Adam was asked to be on standby for last nights meeting but alas was unavailable to ride and is currently in Poland with Leszno. He was also on standby for last Mondays SKY meeting and of course was at Swindle ready to race for the rainoff. They asked Adam last Tuesday if he could standby for the Wolves fixture so my guess would be that the Eagles would have had another rider lined up in case Dave could not ride.
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thanks mark .as posted already with thursday , friday and saturday matches - lewis at poole wednesday too - a hectic spell for men and machines , and with the injuries being carried at lot is being asked of them . hear schlein is injured too and lewis had guested for him .would think the management have looked at the possibility of guests .
as for davey having test on track before match on saturday aussie2 and other locals said they heard the bikes on track earlier in the day and wondered why . the way lukas started they thought it might have been him . but it makes sense for any rider who is unsure of his match fitness to have a try out before the match with a guest on stand by . what is best for the team must take first priority . still concerns over our team management i am sorry to say .
thanks mark .as posted already with thursday , friday and saturday matches - lewis at poole wednesday too - a hectic spell for men and machines , and with the injuries being carried at lot is being asked of them . hear schlein is injured too and lewis had guested for him .would think the management have looked at the possibility of guests .
as for davey having test on track before match on saturday aussie2 and other locals said they heard the bikes on track earlier in the day and wondered why . the way lukas started they thought it might have been him . but it makes sense for any rider who is unsure of his match fitness to have a try out before the match with a guest on stand by . what is best for the team must take first priority . still concerns over our team management i am sorry to say .
Saturday. Lukas did some pre match practice to stretch a new primery chain. I just wondered why Davey didnt do a fitness test Friday having said that hindsight is a wonderful thing. Personally although disappointed to lose and only with the use of the Tactical Ride I thought the 5 did quite well Lukas, Ricky and Lewis particularly. We've got as good a team as most and we will make the playoffs then who knows whats possible. We lost by 2pts lets be positive 2wins in the coming week and we are back on track. Just remember Unted got hammered by Liverpool 4-1 at home Fulham 2-1 away in consecutive games and still won the championship. _________________ A Founder Member of the Home Straight Lukas Dryml Appreciation Society!
i think the word we are looking for paul is " professional " if a team is managed with the relevant procedures and preparation before , during and after racing such " bad luck " can usually be avoided. well we can hope and dream can't we ?! two , perhaps three teams do this , they are " professional " .
A defeat is just about bearable PROVIDED it is not self inflicted and you are beaten by the better team. Sadly last nights loss was largely brought on by ourselves and could (and should) have been avoided.
But I agree with you about the forthcoming week....
As I said in my previous "rant"... if we get a positive response to last nights result, then all can be forgiven and the season could be back on track.
But if we go into these 3 meetings still carrying unfit riders... and if Cameron has his "Wolves head" on rather than his "Swindon head"... can you honestly see us getting 2 wins?
As Ray has said, a bit of professionalism, and as I previously said, honesty and realism, are whats required.
And one other thing... Can someone enlighten me on the Denis Gizatullin situation.
Looking at the form he is currently showing, surely this would have been an ideal time to bring him in at reserve to see how he got on.
We'd then be in an ideal position to make the right decision for the good of the team when Simon regains fitness.
Or is Denis destined to be the biggest waste of time and effort in Eagles history?
I reckon Denis will be brought in for Norris once Simon moves into the main body of the team. Don't think Norris will be fully fit again as much as I would like.
Rory Schlein is no longer injured Ray he won the big meeting at Newcastle today. Glad to see that Lewis has qualified for the next round of the Under 21. He deserved it after such a heroic performance yesterday. _________________ Supporting the Eagles through the good times as well as the bad
I take both Rays and Cous points all I'm say is that despite Daveys insistance that he was fit which later proved otherwise, Several others of the team stepped up to the mark and that we should take the positives out of that, with a little bit of luck we could have pinched a point at the end but for the re run in heat 15. True we now need a professional approach to the next 3 meetings and if needed guest riders for Davey should be the order of the day. At the beginning of the season would anyone have predicted we would be in a playoff spot and Poole bottom of the league.
I take it that the club would incur addition costs to secure a guest and on the attendance levels that must have bearing on managements thought process. _________________ A Founder Member of the Home Straight Lukas Dryml Appreciation Society!
parker: I'm sure you'll agree that the best way to encourage decent crowd figures is to put out a winning team.
So.... if you are suggesting that an unfit Davey was "persuaded" to ride on Saturday night just to save a few quid surely that is a false economy.
As myself and Ray have said.... look what happened after the Lee Richardson "inspired" Poole defeat last year.... the league season fell away and crowd numbers dwindled.
You'd have hoped we'd have learnt our lesson.
And with regard to "other riders stepping up...." it was only Lewis, Lukas and to some degree Ricky who performed up to expectations. You're not going to win many meetings with only 3 riders making decent contributions.
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We've had our first home defeat of the season, galling though that may be, to a team that is top of the league.
They destroyed Poole at Poole.
If we had had our full squad they would have not got one point off us, let alone the four they did.
The mistake that was made was to accept Davey was fit to ride, and if the situation regarding the potential replacement for him was so, then it sounds as if the club could not do much about it.
As to the wider picture; as Parker rightly says, we are in a strong position, Poole, the self appointed "Manchester United" of Elite League Speedway are at the bottom of the heap, and what is more, riders seemingly do not appear to be queuing up to join them
There is a long way to go, this season will provide a few more twists and turns yet.
A fter reading the latest story i keep changing my mind on the events of Davey Watt!! I do feel Bob was put in an impossible situation and he did all he could so fair play to Bob Dugard there is no way i can blame him and infact i feel sorry for him on this situation!.Ive really enjoyed the season so far and the club seem to be trying to attract new fans so fair play again to the Dugard family.(blimey i must be going soft,bigging Bob up and also offering a shoulder to cry on although somehow i dont think he will take up the latter!!!!)
with you spd , suggest in future if there is any doubt the rider involved has a test ride to check his fitness for everyone's sake , including the rider . as posted already we experienced this problem with richardson against poole last season . time to get professional , how many times have we posted that ,in this case there would have been no problem , davey and adam are neighbours not far from poole . they could have travelled up together . management took davey's word , fair enough , but look what happened . so no scapegoat now , let there not be a third occurence especially with matches on thursday , friday and saturday . lewis is also riding on wednesday .management to manage and take necessary action when there is a doubt , and make decision following this . this is a professional sport , and all involved should behave this way .
It very much sounds like you have been taking the right tablets Ray
Totally agreed. I have gone out of my way to support Davey in the past but he did make an error of judgement on Saturday and it cost the Eagles 3 points despite the efforts of the other members of the team to cover. _________________ click here for the latest front page news
parker: I'm sure you'll agree that the best way to encourage decent crowd figures is to put out a winning team.
Weve been winning for several weeks and the gates are still not hitting the break even target
So.... if you are suggesting that an unfit Davey was "persuaded" to ride on Saturday night just to save a few quid surely that is a false economy.
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I'm not saying he was persuaded to ride but the thought that when he said he was fit management might think it would save on a guest passed my mind.
As myself and Ray have said.... look what happened after the Lee Richardson "inspired" Poole defeat last year.... the league season fell away and crowd numbers dwindled.
You'd have hoped we'd have learnt our lesson.
I agree entirely but I still dont believe we should panic after only 8 meetings gone BD's statement seems to cover our issues over taking a riders word that hes fit
And with regard to "other riders stepping up...." it was only Lewis, Lukas and to some degree Ricky who performed up to expectations. You're not going to win many meetings with only 3 riders making decent contributions.
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he picked up 10pts paid 12pts, Chris Schramm No8 picked up 3 pts probably 2 more that Brundle would have done last season. _________________ A Founder Member of the Home Straight Lukas Dryml Appreciation Society!
so is there a procedure to deciding about the fitness of a rider . who decides ? surely as in other professional sports a fitness test should be taken by the relevant rider . is there one ? think we all would appreciate knowing this . or are we still amateurs parker , as usual is right , after what happened last season many of us were disillusioned and ceased attending for a while , and the same could happen again . waiting to see how things develop before i, along with a guest , attend this saturday
"Davey felt he was ok till he sat on the bike and felt the vibrations that numbed his fingers"....
I hate to state the bleedin' obvious but wouldn't you have thought that sitting on the bike was the very least that should have been done before Davey was declared fit?
This is where the lack of professionalism really shines through and mustn't be repeated.
A harsh lesson but hopefully one that will be learnt from.
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parker , as usual is right , after what happened last season many of us were disillusioned and ceased attending for a while , and the same could happen again . waiting to see how things develop before i, along with a guest , attend this saturday