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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Eagles v Wolves 16/05/2009 Reply with quote

Any comments ?

Just hope for no more injuries.

I am sure it will be close but with our injuries the Wolves may take a point or two.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Latest in Argus Reply with quote

The Argus match preview is on the front page.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is davey riding or not ? if not who will guest be ? official site says he is , others say he is not  Confused
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ray wrote:
so is davey riding or not ? if not who will guest be ? official site says he is , others say he is not  Confused
Patience Ray ..at 1621hrs Watty was in the team thats as much as Ive been able to find out.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

parker wrote:
ray wrote:
so is davey riding or not ? if not who will guest be ? official site says he is , others say he is not  Confused
Patience Ray ..at 1621hrs Watty was in the team thats as much as Ive been able to find out.


I think you will find that Dave is fit to race today.. Cool  (as of 10 mins ago!)
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

these aussies are sumpthin' else . there are men  then there aussies . Very Happy  Smile  Cool  Razz
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 bags of frozen peas to keep the swelling down Question  Rolling Eyes  Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that what errol flynn had to do ?! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry boys but you can put that one down as a lose by a completely incompetent management and promoter.
How they expect you to ride without a number one or two is beyond belief R/R for number 2 fine, but not to get a replacement in for a badly injured number 1 is just not on, it’s taking you for mugs and the paying public for fools.
Well done Lewis, Lukas and Ricky, and you Ricky four ride on the trot what were they thinking of.
Because the powers that be can’t be bothered to get a rider in at number one, they are putting you and the rest of the team under more threat of serious injury than is necessary.  
And while I’m having a moan off why do we have to pay £1.00 for a stand seat, when on the last three occasions after heat 6 everybody comes in for free.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about that should read loss
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

understand how frustrated you are speedy,just got back and still dont know how we managed to loose!!But you have to go with what Davey Watt says as he rode so well when sky were there.If he says hes fit enough you cant argue with that after what hes been through.And what with lukas 3 wins on the spin and we still loose!!
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the cold light of day you could say that the choice to let Davey ride cost us the meeting BUT 13 points up after heat 8 we were cruising and I could not see a way back for Wolves the way we were riding, I still can't get my head round how we went from having such a superb team performance in the first half to loosing the send half of the meeting 15-30 Shocked  what the hell happend?! Confused  Confused
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple to much pressure on a five man team, I understand that Lukas also hurt his wrist in his fall that’s why he did not ride in heat 15
Like I said all down to bad management, they must see that Davey is hurt and should insist he take a rest or the rest of our season is down the pan, and that not a dig at Davey, but you can be a hero once to often and do yourself more harm than good.
You’re not telling me that there wasn’t anybody out there to ride against Wolves, who would have got 6 to 8 points, and taken the pressure of the rest of the boys.
Sorry folks but its down to cheap skate management
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedy dan boy wrote:
understand how frustrated you are speedy,just got back and still dont know how we managed to loose!!But you have to go with what Davey Watt says as he rode so well when sky were there.If he says hes fit enough you cant argue with that after what hes been through.And what with lukas 3 wins on the spin and we still loose!!
I see where your coming from "sdb" but why didnt Davey do a fitness ride late friday  Confused and maybe we could have had a guest standing by. Certainly has to go down as a error in judgement, whether cheepskate management thats a matter of opinion but an assumption some will make.
For what ever reason we did throw away at least 2pts against a team thats been performing very well lately, now we have to go through the process of rebuilding confidence ready for the next batch of away meetings  Disappointing considering some of the teams performances tonight Sad
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agree we threw it away , most of us shocked . will not critcise davey , but last season richardson rode when injured already , dropped out of meeting and rides had to be taken by reserves , at home to poole , and the season went into free-fall until the cup final . hope history [ can't be cup final now ] doesn't repeat itself . with meetings on thursday , friday and saturday there will be need for fit riders OR GUEST  Idea  Idea .if simon was not injured we could take a chance , but not now .  team manager to manage team please .camm's bikes not up to it , even got exclusion / handicap in vital heat 14 when clutch seemed to drag bike into tapes . from hero to zero , ok it happens , but we are still stunned . r/r for david worked well , and with PK and lindgren stating with one point between them we were lucky , but then lady luck changed sides . heat 10 the beginning of the collapse, for that is what it was . heat 15 looked like we had a 4-2 when lindgren fell being passed . re-run , sods law again , PK all the way . Shocked  Shocked  Embarassed when opponents have the likes of PK and lindgren in heat 13 we do look vulnerable , but we only have two heatleaders , until simon is back anyway .
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of the loss, does anybody think that Lewis might have many the wrong decision in the rerun of heat 15, to have come out the gate thinking by cutting across to get the dirt on bends 1/2 that an experienced rider PK knew what he was going to do and immediately cut back and was gone!
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've stolen my thunder a bit there Ray...

I'll admit that I've never been a good loser, but when that loss was easily avoidable it gets me very cross!

It was 2008 v. Poole all over again, for Richardson read Watt.

A captain who, for whatever reason (bravery, money etc) refused to accept that he was unfit to ride, has lead to a vital defeat.

I was very critical of Lee last year so I must be equally critical of Davey this time round.

Some of you might call it loyalty, but to me it is the exact opposite, because his refusal to accept what was blatently obvious has cost the team big time. How can that be described as loyalty?

I know that these guys are extremely brave.... but they must accept that they are only human and there is only so much that their bodies can take.

We all complained last year about the weak management allowing Lee to ride, and there must be an element of that again here.

It was a Saturday night with no GP and no other Elite League matches so finding a suitable guest should have been a piece of cake.

With Floppy and Simon already out of the team we could not afford to take the risk, but for whatever reason, that's what we did and it has backfired on us spectacularly.

When it happened last year it was the catalyst to a period of mediocrity on the track and disenchantment on the terraces. For the sake of the clubs future I hope history doesn't repeat itself.

And while I'm having a rant.... what happened to Cameron?

If Monday nights heroics wasn't the boost he needed to get his season up and running then I don't know what would be!

But last night was probably his worst home performance of the season, he was losing to riders that he should beat around Arlington with his eyes shut, and in a match where 1 or 2 extra points would have made all the difference, that's not good enough.

Sorry if you think that's a bit harsh Cam, but one great ride don't make a season.

As you say Ray.... hero to zero in 6 days.

We now need an immediate and positive response from the team during the coming weeks fixtures to get the season back on track before it disappears down the plug hole.

And some realism and honesty from the injured riders and the management wouldn't go amiss either.

Here endeth the rant!!
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnie wrote:
On the subject of the loss, does anybody think that Lewis might have many the wrong decision in the rerun of heat 15, to have come out the gate thinking by cutting across to get the dirt on bends 1/2 that an experienced rider PK knew what he was going to do and immediately cut back and was gone!
In hindsight Lewis will now have realised he made the wrong decision. It is down to experience, of which PK has much. Hopefully Lewis will learn, as we know he is doing. We cannot fault Lewis for the effort he put into the match, taking an extra in Floppy's place and also heat 15. Perhaps it is time for other people/medical/doctor to also decide whether a rider is fit. We saw Davey in the pits and asked how he was, the answer we got was "average". This immediately raised the red flag warning that perhaps he should not have ridden. We can all be wise after the event. We cannot blame Davey alone, I am afraid other riders did not pull their weight. Ricky Kling must have been extremely tired after all his rides. Let's hope that we have riders standing by for the matches on Thursday, Friday & Saturday, if needed.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple question...............why, when Davey knew what the injury was on the Friday against Lakeside, did he then trundle off to Poland and ride on the Sunday?
Sitting for a long time there and back can't exactly have helped his
injury, plus riding.
48 hours rest may have made a long term difference.

Just a simple observation.  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

having read the previos posts on here which are very fair about the facts of the match,i have to now agree with you all that Davey should of thought  more about his fitness because the team were already carrying injuries and we cant carry anyone else.valid points on here ,why didnt he practice  before hand,we had the pick of guests if wanted,and just one further thought if MD reads this was Adam Shields advailable as they both live in poole and could have travelled together for this match!!!!


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