nug
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The Eagles Team and management for 2009I know this is early and not being sure what will happen next season but i see on other teams fourm that fans are talking about what riders they would like to see at there club next season. So here goes what riders would you like to see at arlington next season.
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MrB
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Expect to see this thread locked, your membership revoked and lots of people pointing and making rude comments towards you... how dare you discuss next years team when this year is still going....
Hang on, wrong site! 
NICKI P PLEASE! 
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nug
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Your not the first to ask for Nicki. Coventry fans seem to think they will get him. I cant see him in england next year unless there is a reduction in meetings. I for one would be getting a season ticket again if he was there.
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parker
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What average do you think we will be working too 
What do you think of the idea of running a conference side ?
Personally I'd like to see it happen, we've criticised management over several issues this season but Hagon and Co should be congratulated on the work they are doing with the juniors the work on the junior track etc.
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MD
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| parker wrote: | What average do you think we will be working too
What do you think of the idea of running a conference side ?
Personally I'd like to see it happen, we've criticised management over several issues this season but Hagon and Co should be congratulated on the work they are doing with the juniors the work on the junior track etc. |
I like the idea of a grading system for riders and a squad of around 9-10 per team plus less meetings in the 'Elite League'....
If the powers that be go with a same as this year for team make ups and league structure then I would like a more strength in depth team for 2009. Simon would be my first rider in as the #7 get a settled #1 and #2 keep Eddie as #3 then build around those 4.
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Aussie2
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| nug wrote: | | Your not the first to ask for Nicki. Coventry fans seem to think they will get him. I cant see him in england next year unless there is a reduction in meetings. I for one would be getting a season ticket again if he was there. |
Unfortunately I doubt if Nicki will be back riding here. He has already stated that there are too many meetings, and he has many commitments abroad. I would love to see him back in an Eagles racejacket, but I guess we will have to continue to dream. All I hope is that the BSPA have a realistic average for a team, and not the absolutely silly one they had at the beginning of this season.  I suppose that could be another dream or it could turn out to be a nightmare. I would keep Simon, Eddie, Cameron. We need two heat leaders, and also a NEW NUMBER 6/7 TO SUPPORT SIMON. Whether Scotty or Lee will want to return I do not know. Will depend on the parent clubs.
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rayjay2
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but thanks to all that happened i really do believe there wiil be a 2009 , and i will be there .
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rayjay2
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the 2009 topic is now appearing under the eagles 2008 thread . i am partly guilty !!
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sussexbulldog
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Have moved it Ray
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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I certainly have my own ideas, but I don't think it would be right to discuss which riders we think should stay or go with a Cup Final still to come.....
But one topic that I think is up for discussion is who we would like to see in the team managers role next year....
Any suggestions?
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sussexbulldog
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I would like to see Martin Dugard as team manager.
I think he has all the qualifications needed to do the job plus the strength to manage.
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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| sussexbulldog wrote: | I would like to see Martin Dugard as team manager.
I think he has all the qualifications needed to do the job plus the strength to manage. |
That would be my first choice too... and I think would be a popular appointment with the majority of Eagles followers... but with his other business interests would Martin be able to take on the role?
Anyone got any other possible candidates?
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rayjay2
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think we are all agreed on that . wonder about the points limit , if we had top 6 , what will we be left with for number 7 ?still think a young aussie , like summers of edinburgh , might be best bet . the young aussies are a special breed . no overseas commitments either . IOW seem to find them .
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rayjay2
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for financial reasons , if nothing else , the elite is bound to be diluted , until we get attendances as good as sweden , never mind poland and russia the problem will continue . maybe we will be able to race on saturdays if no GP riders involved on a saturday night in the scheduled match .
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Kevin54
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: |
But one topic that I think is up for discussion is who we would like to see in the team managers role next year.... |
I think Trevor should not be given the role of team manager next season.
He is too easy natured for this role, it is alien to him to be hard and, when necessary, to be ruthless when the occasion demands in order to get the team focused when the situation requires it.
Martin Dugard is an easy name that springs to mind.
Ex Eagle.
Ex rider.
Someone that both riders and supporters can immediately identify with.
Would he do it, or more importantly, would he be PREPARED to do it, that is the $100,000 question?
Other than him we need another Jon Cook.
Proven track record, able to generate publicity and P/R for the club, (something seriously lacking as far as we are concerned this season).
Anyone know what plans Mark Loram has for 2009
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Aussie2
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| rayjay wrote: | | think we are all agreed on that . wonder about the points limit , if we had top 6 , what will we be left with for number 7 ?still think a young aussie , like summers of edinburgh , might be best bet . the young aussies are a special breed . no overseas commitments either . IOW seem to find them . |
I agree Martin would be an obvious choice, but would work commitments preclude this. As for a number 7, I agree with rayjay that an Aussie would be a good choice, after all they cannot keep popping home, too far. Let us not have the fiasco of last season, waiting for a rider, only to be told he is not coming, and then having to hunt for a rider. Much will depend on the points limit, let's hope the BSPA see sense and not go for a ridiculous average as they did last season.
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parker
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | Much will depend on the points limit, let's hope the BSPA see sense and not go for a ridiculous average as they did last season. |
I'll have a friendly bet with you Aussie2 that the average limit doesnt go above 40 points. As for going for an Aussie rider at reserve and being as its Hagons ambition to bring on British riders there is some good young Brits out there if they look. But as with Brundle if they dont help them financially with the equipment then they will struggle.
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rayjay2
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i was told by somebody who knows all the riders get backing also expenses for tyres , fuel etc . AND they all get a minimum guaranteed weekly income . no doubt the package varies with individual riders . that's why james has somewhere to live and not starved to death 
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | i was told by somebodt who knows all the riders get backing also expenses fo tyres , fuel etc . AND they all get a minimum guaranteed wekkly income . no doubt the package varies with individual riders . that's why jamed has somewhere to live and not starved to death |
you took the mickey out of my spelling recently pot /kettle come to mind
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sussexbulldog
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It must be gremlins
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rayjay2
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no i didn't do it on purpose to keep you waiting any longer paul , now we had both better read our posts before submitting them . hey paul , i used to be conceited , but now i am NEARLY " perfick " as pa larkin used to say . 
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samthepalaceman
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[quote="rayjay"]i was told by somebody who knows all the riders get backing also expenses for tyres , fuel etc . AND they all get a minimum guaranteed weekly income . no doubt the package varies with individual riders . that's why james has somewhere to live and not starved to death [/quote]
I'm not sure if your talking about a match fee which is £150 for turning up to the meeting
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7oakseagle
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I think that the BSPA hinted when they set the limit for this year, that the limit for 2009 will be around the 40.5 mark.
I would like to see Eddie, Lewis and Simon retained as a minimum. They are the three riders who still have the most improvement to come next season.
I was impressed with Kevin Doolan during the cup semi and he would come in on around a five average, I believe.
If the limit rose by around two points then we could replace Scottie (assuming he wanted to leave) with Nicki.
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Kevin54
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| 7oakseagle wrote: |
If the limit rose by around two points then we could replace Scottie (assuming he wanted to leave) with Nicki. |
That would probably ensure that the club would go out of buisiness mid-season.
No one with any sense would take on his financial demands, if he can command something in the region of £150/200,000 a season riding for one team abroad, he will expect a comparable retainer here.
Even Poole, who regularly get crowds of 3/4,000 would struggle to pay that.
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7oakseagle
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I think that Nicki's demands have been blown out of all proportion. No-one knows what his demands will be. There has been a load of bull spread about Nicki's demands, mainly from those who don't like the guy.
Obvioulsy, the promoter's number one prioty must be to safeguard the future of the club.
Let me re-phrase my original comment, in view of this.
If the points limit increases by about two points, and if Nicki's demands were affordable, we could replace Scottie (assuming he wanted to leave) with Nicki.
How's that.
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rayjay2
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sam , i was one of several that overheard the discussion about some of these aspects . there are different contracts for different riders , there always has been , including the points money . nicki for instance was paid for tactical points also , whatever the actual amount for him was . one or two other riders sought this , but without success . as for gauranteed minimum , we heard £ 2,000 mentioned but to whom we do not know . the tyres , fuel etc is part of the sponsorship it would seem. as for the minimum you mentioned , i do not know about that , but this is up to the club and sponsors . think they earn and deserve every penny .
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parker
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| 7oakseagle wrote: | I think that Nicki's demands have been blown out of all proportion. No-one knows what his demands will be. There has been a load of bull spread about Nicki's demands, mainly from those who don't like the guy.
Obvioulsy, the promoter's number one prioty must be to safeguard the future of the club.
Let me re-phrase my original comment, in view of this.
If the points limit increases by about two points, and if Nicki's demands were affordable, we could replace Scottie (assuming he wanted to leave) with Nicki.
How's that. |
We know according to the speedway star that Nicki has signed a 2 year @ £325,000 per season for Lejonen in Sweden so how far out of proportion is that, and I think hes the bees knees. Lets face it hagon didnt want Nicki last season probably because realisticly we could afford him on the gates we were and are attracting so I doubt he figures in his plans for next season. We can live only hope but don't hold your breath. 
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Kevin54
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7oakseagle, I never said I didn't like Nicki, I think he's a terrific rider, and one whose prescence would undoubtedly be an assett to any club.
Financially, his demands would cripple any club in this country.
It was documented over the winter what he wanted from one Polish club, who refused to pay it.
It was documented the other week what he was going to get in Sweden.
Neither amount has been refuted by him, or his manager.
There is no way we could afford him on those figures, or anywhere like it, on the gates we get; not unless we drastically increased our admission, then we would not get the supporters!!
The simple fact is the best rider in the world has priced himself out of riding in this country.
Other countries, somehow, can aford to pay him, how many others of his calibre will "up" their demands having seen what he can demand, and get?
Lee has said that riding abroad is a more financially viable option, and he's nowhere near his class.
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emjay
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I think there are a few unpalatable facts which we might be missing here. Why are we even talking about Pedersen, with the gates that we get. Why do we think that Brimson lost so much money last year. I think we should be clear that the focus of speedway is no longer in the UK. Looking ahead to 2009, which most so called pundits say will be a difficult year, then I cannot see too many UK clubs being able to afford the demands of GP riders. Frankly, much as I admire the total professionalism of the likes of Pedersen and Crump, I think it would be far better for the sport's future ( assuming it has one) that we all forget the GP circus and concentrate on trying for a balanced league with hopefully close racing. This particularly applies to Arlington. Surely we are all sick and tired of having our Saturdays screwed because of GP committments. The lesson was not learned this year when the management rushed to sign a GP rider, giving us exactly the same problem that we had with Pedersen.
Of course, the other question is, can the Elite league survive in 2009 and beyond. Personally, I think it is doomed, and the whole league needs a radical rethink. But that, as they say, is another story. Any ideas anyone???
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Kevin54
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Good post, Emjay.
Lees' comments last week summed it up.
The "financial" powerbase of speedway is no longer in this country, it is Poland and Sweden, which is obviously why he is contemplating what he may do.
Russia, with its "silly" money, is obviously a major attraction for top riders also.
Surely the time has come for the next radical shift to take place, which would be the creation of 4 tiers in the sports structure;
Conference League.
Premiere League.
"Elite" League, (though may be that ought to be re-named!!).
Grand Prix.
Teams in the Elite league would be free of the plague of having to operate around the absence of a GP rider, and also the financial demand a Nicholls, Anderson or Crump would make on their club.
Clubs, particularly ours, would also be able to operate on a GP night in the knowledge that supporters are more likely to turn up as one of their riders won't be absent.
Obviously the absence of the top riders will be missed from British tracks.
But, look at it another way; for a greater part of the GP this season 3 out of the top 5 riders have been Pederson, Gollob and Hancock.
They don't ride over here, Gollob and Hancock have been missing for a few seasons, have their absence been really missed?
The Elite league can not continue in its' present format, it is dying from the inside.
Come the BSPA annual "self congratulatio bean feast" There will be yet another bout of tinkering with the points limits, riders yet again being moved to different clubs, or even finding there is no place for them at all. We may even be presented with another major innovation .
But the same problems will still be there.
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parker
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Good posts Kevin and Emjay. I think the points average will stay close to what it is now and this will gradually thin out GP riders as clubs search for more balanced teams Look at our team we had a good top 5 pre season and a weak reserves, no disrespect to Simon. I think next season we should consider building from the bottom up starting with Simon at 7. May be its a time to consider using Lewis as a heat leader, no one has been more criticial of his off tracks history than myself but his recent preformances have showed a lot of determined improvement and just maybe he would thrive on the added responsiblity of a heat leader. Although I have no idea of the type of money Scott receives I doubt he commands the type of money Crump, Adams and Andersen get and I'd like to see him part of our 2009 side. I cannot see Scott keep chasing GP glory on his past form unless the recent form continues and he makes the top 8 I can see him giving up the GPs in the not to distant future. No one would continually want to be given an wild card entry or what ever you call it when they know that maybe theyve had their best shot and been unsuccessful. If we are to have a more balanced side next season then I can see 1 if not 2 of our favourites moving teams that may upset some... Just my thoughts.
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parker
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Interesting article in the speedway star regarding an interview with Bob Dugard. Will not go into to much detail, leave you to read it, but the interesting bit was he revealed that an away semi final playoff place would have cost the club £2500 so how do we figure that is spread out across the team
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rayjay2
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intresting to see cook and bobby sharing common , and sensible views as to how the elite should be looked into properly again . are they the only 2 of 9 that are looking to the fuure , would have expected more , but not russell at swindon of course .
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emjay
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The play offs are the height of absurdity. Its daft enough in football, where there are many more teams. But in an Elite league with a handful of teams, what on earth is the point. You slog away all season and get to the top of the heap, only to find you are battling again in a group of almost half the teams you have been meeting all season. And then you can lose - as EB did a few years ago. Sounds like something Gordon Brown might have dreamed up - except of course if GB had dreamed it up it would have been far far more complicated than anything the BSPA could devise. Sorry guys - I got carried away there for a moment. My apologies.
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rayjay2
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well it was the bspa idea , and we know by now what they are like , and sky bought into it and now give them a build up that is annoying and boring , hey that applies to bspa plus other faults already posted by us . remember when it lost us the title mainly because floppy was injured in the first leg . remember a real final when we had to beat kings lynn in last match , with martin out injured . they had crump and adams , now that was a final , in every sense to a wonderful season for us . now it is all about money , so that is it . bobby 's article correct , no point , infact a financial loss , if not finishing in top two .
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rayjay2
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one disappointment for us all , from one of the dugard dynasty i was told martin was too busy in home matches and wouldot want the travelling to away ones to consider being team manager . fully agree and understand but of course disappointed . oh but it was a wonderful dream .
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parker
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[quote Aussie2] Much will depend on the points limit, let's hope the BSPA see sense and not go for a ridiculous average as they did last season. :wink
Aussie2 you should remember one of the biggest if not the biggest advocator of the new average limit last season was .... Bob Dugard
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Aussie2
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| parker wrote: | [quote Aussie2] Much will depend on the points limit, let's hope the BSPA see sense and not go for a ridiculous average as they did last season. :wink
Aussie2 you should remember one of the biggest if not the biggest advocator of the new average limit last season was .... Bob Dugard |
Wonder if BD has now realised how wrong he was. We have had a number 7, who to put it politely has been useless. All the fans knew the average for the teams were farcical, all except the BSPA who had their heads buried in the sand, just like an ostrich. Mind you an ostrich might have made a better job. If Eastbourne are to put up a team for next year I hope they will not leave it to the last minute to get the riders in place.
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MD
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | If Eastbourne are to put up a team for next year I hope they will not leave it to the last minute to get the riders in place. |
To be fair, I don't think they are leaving it to the last minute as you put it. The trouble is, not too much can be done until after the conference but I would think that the powers that be and riders have a fair idea of what is going to happen in 2009....
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).... but I thought that a team limit figure of 40.5 for next season was agreed as part of last winters negotiations.
This simply needs to be ratified at this years conference.
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Kevin54
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Well, Lee seems to be indicating he wants to be paid in Zlotys' and Kroner, (or are they all in Euros' now), and his comments last night did not do much to dispel that thought.
Add to it the rumour that Lewis is going to join "backstabber" Cook at Lakeside, and that is two senior places to fill.
Hopefully we will farm James out to a PL track to gain experience and confidence that scoring steadily gives,
He has shown he can get out of the gate, it is just getting past turn 1 that is the problem!
So, wholesale changes would seem to be afoot.
Oh, I forgot 
A new team manager also
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rayjay2
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including attendances and reduced supporters club memership . next year we will not be so easily placated if things are not satisfactory . think the season ticket subscriptions will be down regardless . all that appeared this year is summed up by " all that glitters is not gold " sincerely hope this is not allowed to happen . management should be intrested in our views , we are intrested in theirs . please let us be together we all want the same thing , our beloved eagles to flourish .
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Aussie2
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).... but I thought that a team limit figure of 40.5 for next season was agreed as part of last winters negotiations.
This simply needs to be ratified at this years conference. |
I do notthink that 40.5 is high enought, once again teams will have to rejig. At least 42.50 was a more realistic figure. What with all the rumours, wonder if we will be left with a team. Rumours that both Lee & Scotty will not be here, and that Bridger is being poached by Beaky and that Eddie would like to go back to Poole. Hope the management let us know what is happening and not hang on to the bitter end, like they did last year. We need to have the team in place as early as possible, then they can get down to some serious practice before the season begins. Oh well I can dream. We also need to have a better number 7 to help Simon. This is one rider I would like to keep, as he seems to have got travel arrangements worked out. He has vastly improved in the last few weeks. Many fans forget that it is Simon's first full season. I know they would like a mostly British team, but it has not paid off for us. Perhaps all the teams should have a certain number of British riders.
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MD
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| rayjay wrote: | | including attendances and reduced supporters club memership . next year we will not be so easily placated if things are not satisfactory . think the season ticket subscriptions will be down regardless . all that appeared this year is summed up by " all that glitters is not gold " sincerely hope this is not allowed to happen . management should be intrested in our views , we are intrested in theirs . please let us be together we all want the same thing , our beloved eagles to flourish . |
And who says that the Eastbourne management don't take the fans view points on board or are doing nothing towards next season?
Give them some slack, they have almost started from scratch in 2008 and it takes time to build a team. That is what we want isnt it, a team, not just 7 riders with an Eagles race suit on ... Bob Dugard knows the sport inside out and Martin Hagon has worked inside the sport for a long time but you have to give them a chance to build. I agree that sometimes the management could inform us fans a bit more often but you can not put a team in place in just one season. They need to build a team and learn from the riders they have and learn from the fans and then put this into place. I say that they should be judged on how the team is doing after a couple of seasons and not just one.
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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I wasn't going to do this until after the Cup Final but with some of the rumours flying around and certain riders already saying where they want to be next year....why shouldn't we??
Assuming the 40.5 limit is correct... allowing for fitness and availability... my "dream team" for 2009 would be (in riding order)...
1. Adam Shields
2. Travis McGowen
3. Davey Watt
4. Lewis Bridger
5. Eddie Kennett
6. Morten Risager
7. Simon Gustafsson
Bet that gets a few fingers dancing on keyboards...!!!
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Eagle1971
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Well if the rumours are true that Scott Nicholls, Lee Richardson, Ed Kennett and Lewis Bridger are not going to be riding for us next season then my first reaction is to think that we are dropping down a league. Then it would make sense to run a conference team as you would produce your own riders for the first team. It would certainly help keep the costs down.
No doubt we will hear after the cup final what is going to happen?
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rayjay2
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yes the management did finally take action , and it was obvious thar those who post felt this had slipped away after an excellent start on and off the track .. think MD will find he also made comments on this . when the penny dropped , the attendances fell as things seemed to deteriorate the effort was made and the togetherness has improved remarkably . as for team next year the two promoters own some of the contracts and are major sponsors , the have the finanances that without these could well be inferior to certain of the present team if " their" riders move out , even on loan . true riders move from team to team more than other sport it might seem . the team limit is usually the main reason for this , but there other reasons too . the young bloods locally moving would doubtless cause some upset , for eagles are unique in producing local riders and martin hagon is totally with this . regardless of certain problems which now seem to have been solved the idea of eddie or lewis being poached would not be accepted well by the fans . cam has developed with us as did adam shields , and simon is a particular favourite . scott has won us over also , nearest thing we have had to martin dugard so far . lee did well , but he is as he says only on loan , and hagon shocks supported him long before he joined us . the riders have to consider their own futures anyway . if the 40.5 limit remains , then there would have to be changes as we are over that already . so will there be nicki/ davey watt like rumours for next year . of course there will .
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parker
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).... but I thought that a team limit figure of 40.5 for next season was agreed as part of last winters negotiations.
This simply needs to be ratified at this years conference. |
The BSPA did state somewhere that there was a three year plan in regards, the averages and that it would increase slightly over those 3 years. I believe John Louis said it in the witches column in the Speedway Star
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Eagle1971
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| parker wrote: | | ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time).... but I thought that a team limit figure of 40.5 for next season was agreed as part of last winters negotiations.
This simply needs to be ratified at this years conference. |
The BSPA did state somewhere that there was a three year plan in regards, the averages and that it would increase slightly over those 3 years. I believe John Louis said it in the witches column in the Speedway Star |
I'm not sure what the three year plan is presently achieving or what it intends to achieve?
At present it means that the teams start off equal. However, within a few months the rich teams redeclare their teams and disappear off into the distance. All it seems to have done for Eagles is leave them woefull at reserve if Simon is unavailable.
At the start of the season it all looked very promising for us but at the end was it any different and we had lost our Niki in the process?
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rayjay2
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as a politician once said --- we are all equal , it's just that some are more equal than others .
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parker
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| MD wrote: | | rayjay wrote: | | including attendances and reduced supporters club memership . next year we will not be so easily placated if things are not satisfactory . think the season ticket subscriptions will be down regardless . all that appeared this year is summed up by " all that glitters is not gold " sincerely hope this is not allowed to happen . management should be intrested in our views , we are intrested in theirs . please let us be together we all want the same thing , our beloved eagles to flourish . |
And who says that the Eastbourne management don't take the fans view points on board or are doing nothing towards next season?
Give them some slack, they have almost started from scratch in 2008 and it takes time to build a team. That is what we want isnt it, a team, not just 7 riders with an Eagles race suit on ... Bob Dugard knows the sport inside out and Martin Hagon has worked inside the sport for a long time but you have to give them a chance to build. I agree that sometimes the management could inform us fans a bit more often but you can not put a team in place in just one season. They need to build a team and learn from the riders they have and learn from the fans and then put this into place. I say that they should be judged on how the team is doing after a couple of seasons and not just one. |
I think you make a valid point MD ... if you were building say a football team but with the averages etc building a team over 2 or3 years seems to be nigh on impossible in this sport. I think we should as Hagon seems to be, focusing on the juniors and build an academy where we have a continuing line of Juniors coming through, on decent equipment. On another subject for 2009 I think also we should do away with the supporters club or combine it with the 50/50 and sell it more to the fans It appears that we only have 60 members which is really pitiful for a long established club like the eagles. We dont even have 1 member for every year the teams been in existance and the money goes to helping injured riders and helping with the juniors plus a draw ever month. 
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MrB
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I wasn't going to do this until after the Cup Final but with some of the rumours flying around and certain riders already saying where they want to be next year....why shouldn't we??
Assuming the 40.5 limit is correct... allowing for fitness and availability... my "dream team" for 2009 would be (in riding order)...
1. Adam Shields
2. Travis McGowen
3. Davey Watt
4. Lewis Bridger
5. Eddie Kennett
6. Morten Risager
7. Simon Gustafsson
Bet that gets a few fingers dancing on keyboards...!!! |
2+6 NO THANKS!! The other 5 yes please!
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Bazra
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Where's Cam gone? we can't drop him.
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parker
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| Bazra wrote: | | Where's Cam gone? we can't drop him. |
why not?
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Bazra
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Because you have to find a rider capable of doing what we know he can do on that average.
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parker
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| Bazra wrote: | | Because you have to find a rider capable of doing what we know he can do on that average. |
Like getting beat by Fisher!......Fair enough Baz only asked anyway!
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Bazra
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Yep, thats him the same rider that was setting the league alight at the start of the season. Taking on & beating good riders.
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rayjay2
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so when does any team have the same 7 riders for more than one season anyway , coventry two years back , apart from that ?????
over to you MD
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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I see that the marvellous Mr Geer has opened his mouth and put his foot in it yet again....
A quote from this weeks Speedway Star regarding the Coventry match....
"As soon as I saw us go 10 points down (should have been UP Trev!!) I could see they would have a potential 8-1 in the next race with Hans and Bomber".
Would have been nice if he'd worked that out BEFORE it happened rather than after.
Im afraid he just gets worse, and there is no way he can be allowed to remain in the team managers position next year.
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rayjay2
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how about milliband , perhaps not , they are too similar
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | how about milliband , perhaps not , they are too similar |
if he not available perhaps Cameron or Osbourne second thoughts I'd rather have trevor or even a cardboard cut out of him
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rayjay2
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trouble with cardboard cut-outs is when they get wet , but many are wet naturally ! that is why your dry sense of humour is so appreciated my friend ! no point in lemnick optnik [ whatever his name ] it was the cheeky girl that was the attraction . but seriously the position of team manager is vital . that latest utterance of trevor would be amusing if he was some other team's manager . 
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Kevin54
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Can we please keep b****y politics out of this forum  
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rayjay2
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politics and religion are not being discussed , just people who we happen to be aware of in the public eye and speedway fans who are numpties . the comments were followed by the smiling face kevin . but i wholly agree with your sentiment . i do not wish to offend anyone except those criticised , as many of us have done .so sorry to all but those numpties who annoy us
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mmmmethanol
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Think it's about time the silly season started.
Here goes - 39.7
Adam Shields 8.1
Simon 4.1
Davey Watt 8.2
Cam 5.4
Ed 6.9
Ricky Wells 4.0
Robert Mear/James Holder 3.0
Not easy, is it?
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rayjay2
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with scott now wildcard in GP , lee probably concentrating overseas , lewis wanting away , ed only came back coz of hagon sponsorship , maybe only simon and cam returning . they have both stated they want to . so more big changes this year --- hey , as long as eagles fly --- last season , every season now changes like never before . well we lost four of 2007 team this season .
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parker
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How about :-
R Schlein 7.17
Simon 4.10
Davy Watt 8.2
Cameron 5.39
Eddie 7.17
J Frampton 3.0
Ricky Wells 4.0
39.03
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rayjay2
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not that it means much , but watt , schlein and frampton are assets of other elite teams . i am told many poole fans blame davey for only getting 2 points in the first leg . of the 3 heatleaders he is probably most likely to be allowed to ride elsewhere . can't see witches releasing schlein . no louis , loram , or hampel -- or nicholls as now in GP, depending on scott and decisions about GP riders in elite .this could involve adams , andersen , and AJ , depending on certain decisions and promoters wallets . the number in the elite seems to reduce each season . anyway we are only playing make-believe , which is all any of us can do at this time . we don't want to give up our saturdays for any reason , that is eagles night , and the promoters feel the same . we can record the GPs which we can fast forward through commecials and bits not of intrest to us individually .that will save watching about a third of it . do find them long drawn out when watching live . anyway soon be able to fantacise more [ maybe even less if bad news !] in the next few days . 
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | not that it means much , but watt , schlein and frampton are assets of other elite teams . i am told many poole fans blame davey for only getting 2 points in the first leg . of the 3 heatleaders he is probably most likely to be allowed to ride elsewhere . can't see witches releasing schlein . no louis , loram , or hampel -- or nicholls as now in GP, depending on scott and decisions about GP riders in elite .this could involve adams , andersen , and AJ , depending on certain decisions and promoters wallets . the number in the elite seems to reduce each season . anyway we are only playing make-believe , which is all any of us can do at this time . we don't want to give up our saturdays for any reason , that is eagles night , and the promoters feel the same . we can record the GPs which we can fast forward through commecials and bits not of intrest to us individually .that will save watching about a third of it . do find them long drawn out when watching live . anyway soon be able to fantacise more [ maybe even less if bad news !] in the next few days . |
Schlein told Kevin Coombes when he last rode for us that he was'nt fixed up for next season, and Tell me richardson Nicholls were they not assets of other clubs.. Fantasize thats the word
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7oakseagle
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I believe that RooBoy was only on loan to the Witches and is, in fact, a Coventry asset.
He may not want to return there after getting stick from the Fleas fans and being dumped by the promotion halfway through the season.
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ashfordeagle
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| parker wrote: | How about :-
R Schlien 7.17
Simon 4.10
Davy Watt 8.2
Cameron 5.39
Eddie 7.17
J Frampton 3.0
Ricky Wells 4.0
39.03 |
This looks a very good team on paper.
Let's hope Eddie decides to stay.
Rory has shown that he likes riding our track, we must try to get him to sign.
Most teams will have weak reserves again, so it's pot luck if you manage to pick the correct two that will improve.
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rayjay2
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read news about schlein only being loaned to witches until end of season and still a bees asset .but you spelt his name wrong and led others astray . but as your post i was only talking of a suggested team , as were you . BUT you were right how to spell "fantasize ! , which i thought was a fat person drinking a certain fizzy orange 1-1 draw paul . don't we have fun , a highlight of posting for both of us i think . is that right you got your site-name coz that is what you do with the fans cars ?
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Aussie2
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Much will depend on what the BSPA/promoters decide next week. Also will all the GP riders who rode this season stay. Their could be quite a merry-go-round. Many of us know who we would like to ride for us, but they must have 100% commitment to the Eagles. Would like to keep Simon, Cam, Eddie (hopefully). If Lewis cannot give 100% to the Eagles, then loan him out for a season. He might find out that "the grass is not greener on the other side". and that certain promoters will not accept his shenanigans. I guess it will just be a case of "wait and see".
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mmmmethanol
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Seemingly only Cam & Simon will return, so how does this look?
Total 39.9
Adam Shields 8.1
Simon 4.1
Davey Watt 8.2
Cam 5.4
Rory Schlein 7.1
Ricky Wells 4.0
Robert Mear/James Holder 3.0
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sussexbulldog
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Don't you just love Aussies 
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mmmmethanol
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| sussexbulldog wrote: | | Don't you just love Aussies |
Truthfully, I've only just realised that.
Mind you, not that many Brits to choose from.
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ashfordeagle
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As Reading are not riding next year, what about getting Ulrich Ostergaard back on about a 5.00 point average and then allowing Simon to remain at reserve.
He be doing very well in Premier League and perhaps could be ready to step up a league again.
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rayjay2
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ulrich does not ride arlington well , better in big tracks . which is the sort of track lewis is seeking , and not riding in uk for a friday or saturday night track [ that's spanners out then ] . like your team chris , i am a fan of aussies , a special breed of man and rider . no i don't suggest rolf harris as team manager maybe craig boyce ?  . i will gladly learn the words to " waltzing matilda "
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Aussie2
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| rayjay wrote: | | ulrich does not ride arlington well , better in big tracks . which is the sort of track lewis is seeking , and not riding in uk for a friday or saturday night track [ that's spanners out then ] . like your team chris , i am a fan of aussies , a special breed of man and rider . no i don't suggest rolf harris as team manager maybe craig boyce ? . i will gladly learn the words to " waltzing matilda " |
Already know the words to "Waltzing Matilda". Would prefer Aussies to Poles, at least they cannot go home & back in 24 hours. See on the BSPA site that Scotty cannot make any plans for next season until he knows whether he has got a wild card for the 2009 GP's. Might not be a bad idea to get Craig Boyce, as a reserve, or how about Team
Manager. Cannot see him standing any nonsense from those whose heads have grown a little too big. Ulrich is okay on big tracks, but not the small ones. He is better in the Premier League, afraid he is not Elite League. Have to wait and see whether it will be either or none.
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rayjay2
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if we had aussie team manager , such as boyce , who has full experience on and off track , he would stay aussie team manager and love to have those aussies suggested , a great alround idea . so sussex bulldog , should we suggest this possibility to bobby and martin dugard . some of us could bring this up perhaps at the " do" . as already posted i am unable to be there .
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parker
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | rayjay wrote: | | ulrich does not ride arlington well , better in big tracks . which is the sort of track lewis is seeking , and not riding in uk for a friday or saturday night track [ that's spanners out then ] . like your team chris , i am a fan of aussies , a special breed of man and rider . no i don't suggest rolf harris as team manager maybe craig boyce ? . i will gladly learn the words to " waltzing matilda " |
Already know the words to "Waltzing Matilda". Would prefer Aussies to Poles, at least they cannot go home & back in 24 hours. See on the BSPA site that Scotty cannot make any plans for next season until he knows whether he has got a wild card for the 2009 GP's. Might not be a bad idea to get Craig Boyce, as a reserve, or how about Team
Manager. Cannot see him standing any nonsense from those whose heads have grown a little too big. Ulrich is okay on big tracks, but not the small ones. He is better in the Premier League, afraid he is not Elite League. Have to wait and see whether it will be either or none. |
What do you mean not Elite league you say that as though its going to be Elite, no current World champion, no Crump, Handcock, Gollob, Holta,possibly no Andersen, Nicholls, Richardson hardly Elite. Ulrich just done a years apprenticeship in the premier league, and there not all big tracks there either. Would be silly just to dimiss him particularly as it seems Eddie wants out Bridger wants out, Richardson wants out, Nicholls undecided What good riders are left will be in big demand particularly as Bob hopes the average stays as it is.
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rayjay2
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so what do youthink about this idea of the " aussie " connection paul ? don't think this would boomerang on us if it actually happened
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parker
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I'm like Aussie I would prefer Aussies to Poles. Craig Boyce would be handy as a Manager because at least he if he was unsuccessful we would at least have a good engine tuner. I'm not an Ulrich fan either but any rider that can achieve a 10+ average in the PL shouldnt be dismissed lightly I'm not impling Aussie did that, I just think we not top of the pile when riders are looking for a club so we need to pick the right people. We almost had a good team last season but just fell short with only 3pts for the last reserve spot.If as according to the press and the grape vine most of our top riders will be off and possibly only 2 remaining we will find it hard to replace those going like for like.
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mmmmethanol
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Just hope management give us a balanced side next year & avoid the ridiculous "Give it a go" at reserve advertisement to the general public!
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rayjay2
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that,s why the matter of the team and manager need to be looked at asap . wonder what news or ideas will emerge on the 8th . trouble is other teams will have a similar problem and will therefore be wary before agreeing to loan out any of their assets . look at the long drawn out business there was with poole and davey before the start of this season . the more i think of the idea of boycie [ not the one in " only fools and horses " ] and aussies , the better it sounds .
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MD
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| rayjay wrote: | | that,s why the matter of the team and manager need to be looked at asap . the more i think of the idea of boycie the better it sounds . |
I very much doubt Craig Boyce would have the time to become a domestic team manager, non starter in my book...
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rayjay2
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may well be the case mark , but worth finding out at least . don't think there are many out there that are both suitable and intrested. perhaps there will be news on the 8th , hopefully good .
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emjay
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Surely we have to wait and see what pearls of wisdom come out of the BSPA meeting. Absolutely no point speculating about a team at the moment. Much more interesting to speculate what such pearls will be. Me, I'm just a know-nothing guy who occasionally stands on the terraces, but clearly there are some pretty clued up guys on this site, so what do you experts think? Come on now - crystal ball time!!
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mmmmethanol
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Emjay - I doubt that even us "Internet Nutters" could begin to predict what those brilliant minds are going to dream up.
Oh, and who are those clued up guys?
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parker
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I think Sweedway promoters now realise the state of speedway in this country whether they have the where withall to put aside they personal interests and collectively put together a package that will being the process for recover of speedway here is another matter. If they dont I think speedway will fast disappear. Rayjay, as for a team of aussies I'm happy for some antipodian influence rather than Eastern European but would prefer to see a predominantly British squad as started under Hagon. As for Boyce I think hes too busy with Australia and his engine tuning business anyway do you really want a manager whos idea of a team talk might be to chin the opposing manager Emjay, forgive me but do you not regularly go to speedway or do you just occasionaly visit Eastbourne. I thought from you previous posts that you regularly went around tracks such as Workington etc. Either way as you say until we know the pearls of wisdom from the BSPA its no use speculating.
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rayjay2
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yes , we wait for with baited breath , and those attending the hog-roast will probably learn more . i joined in when suggested teams were posted , but until our management issue is settled how can any team formation even be considered . but as parker says--- rather aussies than eastern europeans , who always likely to be unavailable . not many of the latter have mastered arlington , gollob and a couple of others . where does lewis hope to go , a big track that does not have home matches on fridays or saturdays ? panthers ? agree we are only sure of cam and simon , but as said , no more fantasy until our management sorted and bspa meeting have had their annual muddle . there are certainly going to be changes with both . then we can start to fantacise again .
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MrB
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For those who didn't see it in Friday's Argus, it sounded positive for next year with Bob saying he hoped to keep Ed and Lewis as they are the future of Eastbourne, that pleased me the most, lets hope it happens also said Scott has been offered a place if that is the way the league goes and Coventry don't recall him and that Simon and Cam had agreed in principle to return next year all being well.
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Eagle1971
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There will hopefully be a 2009 season....................Argus says..........
Eagles pin hopes on youngsters
11:10pm Friday 7th November 2008
By Brian Owen »
Bob Dugard wants to make his two young Sussex-based stars the future of Eastbourne Eagles.
Dugard, currently in talks with other Elite League bosses to hammer out policy for next season, believes Edward Kennett and Lewis Bridger hold the key to Eagles’ success.
He is confident both will stay at Arlington next season, despite talk doing the speedway rounds that Bridger will move to a bigger track, possibly Swindon.
Dugard has also offered Scott Nicholls another season on loan at Arlington should the Team GB skipper not fix up a place with parent club Coventry.
Simon Gustafsson and Cameron Woodward have agreed in principle to return next season but Lee Richardson and James Brundle appear to have finished their time as Eastbourne riders.
Dugard, who will be in sole command at Eastbourne when co-promoter Martin Hagon steps down after tomorrow’s end-of-season function, appears confident Eagles will run in the top flight next season.
The club lost about £30,000 last season, despite winning the Knockout Cup, but it would appear half their Elite League rivals fared worse, some quite considerably.
Finances and the average points limit, likely to be shade under 40, will prove pivotal to team building but Dugard knows where he wants to start.
He said: “My biggest priority is keeping Edward and Lewis.
“If I lost either of them I wouldn’t really have the enthusiasm to carry things on.
“I’ve watched them from young ages, Ed particularly. I’ve seen him ride since he was eight.
“I’ve watched Lewis since he was about 13 and I love seeing local youngsters come through and fulfil the highest ambitions kids would have.”
Although Kennett can be a brilliant racer, as he showed in the away leg of the Cup final, he is widely regarded as the steadier of the two with Bridger enjoying more of a tearaway reputation.
Kennett already has sponsorship from Hagon Shocks tied up for next season.
Bridger, however, is not expected to secure such a deal given his very public bust-up with Hagon last season and, at just 18, is in need of financial backing.
Dugard said: “I’m very, very hopeful about Lewis but that completely depends on finances.
“His need is greater than most. Financially he has nothing to fall back on.
“He had six bikes this year with Martin Hagon. I’m trying to work out a deal with Martin for his two English bikes even if I have to buy them myself and then find a sponsor to help him.
“It’s just a question of economics so he can afford to ride.
“People say he needs to move to a bigger track but that’s nonsense. Lewis gets all the big-track riding he needs overseas, “Riding here didn’t really affect Nicki Pedersen that badly, did it?
“Nicki would always say Eastbourne was the biggest confidence booster he had. If you can master a track like Eastbourne you can handle anything.
“I’ve not spoken to Edward yet but I would hope he would maintain his loyalty to the club.
“He has improved in leaps and bounds this year and I would love to build a team around him and Lewis for the future.”
Nicholls has clinched a wild card place for next season’s GP series and that could count against him racing in the Elite League.
Dugard, though, wants him back.
He said: “Scott has been told there is a team place at Eastbourne if he wants it, subject of course to Coventry having first call on him.
“I’ve told Scott we would like to have him back and he is giving it serious consideration.
“I have also kept Coventry fully informed.
“We will need a superstar rider if that is the way the league goes.
“If it doesn’t go that way I would like to think we have got good enough youngsters.”
Those younger ranks are likely to be boosted by a Scandinavian teenager Dugard is keen to bring to this country.
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Aussie2
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Now that Scott has been picked as one of the permanent wild cards, will he want to race here. What happens if Ed & Lewis decide they want to move onto pastures new, does that mean no speedway in 2009, I do hope not. I see in the speedway star that Hagon wants to sell 3 complete bikes, 6 rolling chassis, all used by 2008 Knock-Out Cup Champions, as well as junior 140cc bikes. I believe the complete bikes were the ones Lewis rode. How petty can you get.  We know he had his differences with Lewis. Is this his way of getting back at Lewis. I know Lewis did not behave as he should have done last season, but surely that is over and done with.
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rayjay2
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hagon's wagon is rolling on , no long term involvement then , as promised . well it's not a " shock" we can "absorb " it . shame he wasn't there at poole with bobby . there is the difference , eastbourne speedway is the dugard history . others come and go , three in three years . well we are very proud of the dugards and the team . be different riders again , but they will be wearing the eagle again . certain aspects of the departure seem somewhat unnecessary , toys out of the pram maybe . he will continue to sponsor eddie from the team , and probably continue the association with lee . selling lewis' bikes , bobby may buy a couple , to return them to lewis if he stays ? sponsorship is vital to all riders , and major national and international companies are rarely involved . speedway needs more pr , the product is fantasic . formula 1 has no problems in attracting sponsors , and seems to most of us [ what--- biased-- surely not us ?!] is real entertainment and excitement . have been to formula 1 a few times , but watching that at track instead of on tv is confusing to follow when only part of the track can be seen , ok there are big screens , but i prefer to see the whole race which speedway provides . each to his own , more attend formula 1 than speedway so i am in the minority , but happy to be so . top speedway riders don't have to live abroad for tax reasons either . that must be a hardship
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speedy dan boy
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I for one would love to see Lewis and Ed stay but my biggest concern is can they work well together all season long?I dont know the answer but as they are matureing all the time i hope they can.If scott doesnt return what will happen if the two go head to head to get the no1 spot,will it be healthy for the club or will handbags fly between the two. i dont know the amswer to that q as well can anyone help!!!
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rayjay2
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you are right spd , they are maturing , we would love our boys , our men , to stay with us , remember when floppy went to reading for a season , where he broke his leg , seeing him as number one for the opposition . didnot like it at all .nor did many others . appreciate the boys of another generaqtion , martin , david and deano moved on , but in 1993 they came back , so did i .history could be repeated , but i di so hope not . loosing david , deano , and ando in 2007 was a massive change and sense of loss .
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burt munroe
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | Now that Scott has been picked as one of the permanent wild cards, will he want to race here. What happens if Ed & Lewis decide they want to move onto pastures new, does that mean no speedway in 2009, I do hope not. I see in the speedway star that Hagon wants to sell 3 complete bikes, 6 rolling chassis, all used by 2008 Knock-Out Cup Champions, as well as junior 140cc bikes. I believe the complete bikes were the ones Lewis rode. How petty can you get. We know he had his differences with Lewis. Is this his way of getting back at Lewis. I know Lewis did not behave as he should have done last season, but surely that is over and done with. |
They were Lee`s
Your further comments are unfounded twaddle
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Aussie2
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Perhaps burt monroe should have read the Argus, that is where BD was quoted about Lewis's bikes. If it is not correct, then perhaps he should take it up with Brian Owen at the Argus. I noticed he only joined last month, and that was his/her first post. Not a very good post, but what can you expect.
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rayjay2
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are you man enough to apologise munroe ? we shall see .
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