Kopster
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Should we have got rid of Nicki Pedersen?This is a subject which I keep thinking about putting on here. I think now is right after some dismal team displays. I know he came in at such a high average but I really think we should somehow fit him in the team. We would at least have one rider who would want to ride for our club. I hope next season if there is a next season for us that we have Nicki P in it. What do you think?
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Bazra
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Unless they raise the points limit we will have no chance. And unless they make less matches Nicki won't want to come back. Peterborough & Wolves both asked him a while ago & he turned them down.
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rayjay2
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at first i was very disappointed , but understanding the points limit and financial barriers we really had no choice . the acquisition of scott has proved more vital than i could have immagined . he brings a dimmension of talent and example that a world champion is not able to give , and the time to do so . both great men and riders bringing different gifts to our sport and team . yes i would love to see him wearing the eagle again , but due to the aforementioed reasons this may well be impossible . just immagine having both , that would be out of this world . but hey , we are allowed to dream .
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parker
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Earlier I would have said that we were more of a team since Nicki left (and thats no disrespect to Nicki, who for several seasons carried us single handed) but after recent weeks one would have to wonder 
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rayjay2
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that is certainly true . looked as if we were going to be areal team especially scott taking over the martin dugard role which no other rider could . a huge glimmer of light , but it is not scott's fault what has happened . he can advise , he can teach , he can help , he is a true team man . but if others will not listen ???? you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink ---- in which case if it dies of thirst it is it's own fault !
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Aussie2
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| rayjay wrote: | | that is certainly true . looked as if we were going to be a real team especially scott taking over the martin dugard role which no other rider could . a huge glimmer of light , but it is not scott's fault what has happened . he can advise , he can teach , he can help , he is a true team man . but if others will not listen ???? you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink ---- in which case if it dies of thirst it is it's own fault ! |
So much promise at the beginning of the season, and now it has all fallen apart. Perhaps it would be beneficial to Scotty if he sat a season out of the GP's.  He needs to regain the confidence, and perhaps concentrating on team racing for a year might help. The team spirit has disappeared, and at the moment it seems that the team is made up of seven individual riders doing their own thing. Simon is progressing slowly, he has had much put on his young shoulders this season, because of his pointless scoring colleague, Cam off form since his crash, Eddie a bit up and down at the moment. Lee has done as expected given the circumstances, and rode brilliantly last night. The less said about Lewis the better. .  
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parker
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[quote="Aussie2] So much promise at the beginning of the season, and now it has all fallen apart. Perhaps it would be beneficial to Scotty if he sat a season out of the GP's. He needs to regain the confidence, and perhaps concentrating on team racing for a year might help.[quote]
Its not sitting out of the GPS that Scott needs its a bit of luck and perhaps better equipment. If you asked whether I would pick Scott over Nicki I'd now have Scott, prior to the season starting I'd have said Nicki. Hes a good team man in a team with, IMO little team spirit
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rayjay2
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paul , what is IMO ?:- In my opinion, or IMHO :- in my honest opinion.
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schumi
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| parker wrote: | | If you asked whether I would pick Scott over Nicki I'd now have Scott |
Are you mad, young fellow?
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parker
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| schumi wrote: | | parker wrote: | | If you asked whether I would pick Scott over Nicki I'd now have Scott |
Are you mad, young fellow? |
I think Nickis by far the best individual rider, but as a team rider Scotts better IMO 
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rayjay2
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have to agree with parker and several of us have posted to that effect . but nicki at 5 rode with reserves in three heats . last season these were cam and lewis . at that time cam's machiinery was well past it's sell by date , and has been replaced this year . now that isn't up to scratch and has been sent off for professional maintenance and tuning . as for team riding with lewis , well nicki had problem there , ask scott about it . nevertheless nicki is special and he thinks eagles are . always rooting for him in GPs . he deserves to be the individual world champion . he and david were in heat 15 together sometimes, and when david gated nobody got past the two of them . actually it is difficult for almost any rider to keep up nicki .
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schumi
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| parker wrote: | | schumi wrote: | | parker wrote: | | If you asked whether I would pick Scott over Nicki I'd now have Scott |
Are you mad, young fellow? |
I think Nickis by far the best individual rider, but as a team rider Scotts better IMO |
Keep an eye out for the latest interview on our website (Weird World of Subedei) - should be there over the next few days. You might change your mind.
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MrB
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One word... NO
He may not team ride but he leads by example, provides entertainment, likes riding for us and is the most professional rider around...in short
BRING HIM BACK!
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parker
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| MrB wrote: | One word... NO
He may not team ride but he leads by example, provides entertainment, likes riding for us and is the most professional rider around...in short
BRING HIM BACK! |
Love to see Nicki back in Eagle Kevlars next season a real professional rider.
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rayjay2
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something has to be done to get bums on seats , sometimes off seats as we leap in the air as nicki does the impossible again .
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parker
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I see in the Speedway Star that Nicki has signed a 2 year contract with Swedish club Lejonen, worth 7.7 million Swedish Kroner (£650,000) Perhaps thats one of the reason why he isnt racing for us, we couldnt afford anywhere near that on our attendances.
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spannerman 2k4
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As NIcki's mechanic for many years i just want to put a few points right 
Peterborough and Wolves asked him and he said no to wolves, but yes to peterborough, i was told the deal was sorted and nicki was waiting to be advised of the fixture list, next thing we know they'd signed Sullivan for a lot more money.
Team man, Nicki and Davey Watt did try on several occasions to assist in the pits with all riders but one rider in particular.. that rider chose to ignore their advice so they both left him to it.
Money, Yes Nicki has done a deal in Sweden involving a great deal of money, That does not mean he would be expensive over here, He is a business man and 'pitches' his services at a price the market can withstand, he has alway done deals that meant he was paid what he earned, unlike some such as Greg who did mega deals and then was left owing thousands upon thousands by his last two promotions. Eastbourne did not discuss terms with NIcki at all before last season, they just emailed him to tell him his services were not required, at a time when it was too late for him to get fixed up in the UK.
Sitting in Niki's workshop in Denmark all last year were two brand new bikes which he had built for the UK season, No rider would lay that amount of money out if he didn't intend riding here.
Regards
Ray
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ashfordeagle
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| spannerman 2k4 wrote: | As NIcki's mechanic for many years i just want to put a few points right
Eastbourne did not discuss terms with NIcki at all before last season, they just emailed him to tell him his services were not required, at a time when it was too late for him to get fixed up in the UK.
Sitting in Niki's workshop in Denmark all last year were two brand new bikes which he had built for the UK season, No rider would lay that amount of money out if he didn't intend riding here.
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Ray, is there any chance of Nicki riding for Eastbourne again, or have all the bridges been burnt.
I'd love to see him back again. We still cheer for him in the GP's even when he up against Scott or Bomber!!!
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speedy dan boy
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Thanks for info Ray
I for one would love to see him back.
Ray just wondered if Nikki lives in the uk full time,and if so it makes sence to ride here.Or is he planning to settle some place else.
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spannerman 2k4
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Nicki doesn't talk about Eastbourne the way he talks about Wolves so my gut feeling is he would come back, but it's not something we've talked about.
Yes he does still live full time in the UK and there's no one would like him back racing over here than me and Mark, He's the best to work for.
Ray
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Aussie2
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I would love to see Nicki back at Eastbourne. He always had times for the fans before the meeting, but was totally focused during the match. Many people said that Nicki would not team ride, but how many could keep up with him. He would certainly put bums on seats, most fans would come to see if anybody could beat him. The only trouble is that Nicki's average would be very high.
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Sam7
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As a matter of interest what would his average be? I'm trying to build a team to include him.
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7oakseagle
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| Sam7 wrote: | | As a matter of interest what would his average be? I'm trying to build a team to include him. |
I wouldn't bother, we cannot afford him. In fact I doubt if any team in the Elite League could afford him right now.
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spannerman 2k4
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| 7oakseagle wrote: | | Sam7 wrote: | | As a matter of interest what would his average be? I'm trying to build a team to include him. |
I wouldn't bother, we cannot afford him. In fact I doubt if any team in the Elite League could afford him right now. |
I repeat
Money, Yes Nicki has done a deal in Sweden involving a great deal of money, That does not mean he would be expensive over here, He is a business man and 'pitches' his services at a price the market can withstand, he has alway done deals that meant he was paid what he earned, unlike some such as Greg who did mega deals and then was left owing thousands upon thousands by his last two promotions. Eastbourne did not discuss terms with NIcki at all before last season, they just emailed him to tell him his services were not required, at a time when it was too late for him to get fixed up in the UK.
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emjay
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If that is so that is a disgraceful way to treat any rider, let alone one who always gave his best to the club.
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Kopster
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That is such a bad way to treat a fan favorite who pulls in the crowds. He was the best rider we've had since Martin Dugard and we treat him like he was something on the bottom of your shoe. I don't blame him now if he said to us no I am not riding for you anymore.
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Eagle1971
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Come on if we had had Pedersen in the team last year we would have had cardboard cut outs riding at six and seven because of the averages. We did win the cup in the end as well.
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rayjay2
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think we understand that , but have to agree the handling of the issue was wrong and inconsiderant of a great rider and man .
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | think we understand that , but have to agree the handling of the issue was wrong and inconsiderant of a great rider and man . |
Well theres always two sides to every story but I do see that theres to be a benefit for Dean Barker this coming season, which unfortunately but understandably is not included in the seaon ticket.
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rayjay2
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these never are , coz the money goes into the total benefit . riders ride for free too . i remember his previous one . the bspa rules on benefit meetings mean that david cannot have his until next year .that is petty , mean and unfair . if we want to give we should be allowed to do so . these meetings are special for all involved . in the case of these two and ando they were all seriously injured and had to retire riding for the eagles . 
as for nicki , i agree he was the nearest to martin dugard with a cult following . i know that some people , especially some youngsters have ceased attending . but finances are finances as we all too well are aware . butthere are acceptable and unneccessary ways of dealing with these sort of decisions . nicki holds no grudge on his website , but then he is that sort of man . yet another reason for respecting him . there are so many wonderful memories of him racing , wearing the eagle .
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | . there are so many wonderful memories of him (Pedersen} racing , wearing the eagle . |
Totally agree with you rayjay, especailly when other strutting GP Cocks visited his track
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rayjay2
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yes those heats 13 and 15 were worth the entrance money alone . to see nicki and floppy get the lead and ride side by side , all at full power , and save us again . eagles legends . 
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samthepalaceman
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[quote="rayjay"]yes those heats 13 and 15 were worth the entrance money alone . to see nicki and floppy get the lead and ride side by side , all at full power , and save us again . eagles legends . [/quote]
I have to agree with you. If Poole decide to retain Watt's services then I would put Nicki back in, 15 points every meeting pretty much guaranteed.
I have always been intrigued how his bikes are so much quicker than everyone else's (especially in GP's) from the start.
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rayjay2
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we expect to see the poole team announced torrow . maybe , and for the same reasons , bjarne will be the one to go as AJ and maybe lindgren , or he will do a " crumpie ", then davey would stay . back to the drawing board !!
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Kevin54
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| samthepalaceman wrote: | | rayjay wrote: | | yes those heats 13 and 15 were worth the entrance money alone . to see nicki and floppy get the lead and ride side by side , all at full power , and save us again . eagles legends . |
I have to agree with you. If Poole decide to retain Watt's services then I would put Nicki back in, 15 points every meeting pretty much guaranteed.
I have always been intrigued how his bikes are so much quicker than everyone else's (especially in GP's) from the start. |
Please explain how we would pay for him?
Please explain how we would accomodate him in the team points-wise?
OK, Spannerman says he adjusts his demands according to the situation, but as world champion he is not exactly going to be the cheapest rider in the league, is he?
And anyway, the unceromonious way he was booted out of the team at the end of 2007, he is hardly likely to look at certain people in our set up with much affection.
The idea of Nicki P riding for us again, in the current climate, is totally daft.
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rayjay2
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kevin , i said heats 13 and 15 WERE worth , past tense . can't have martin , floppy or deano back , plus a few others either .we are reminiscing , mate . cous [ comeonyouspurs] and i feel that way about jimmy greaves too . next season will be reminiscing about taking the koc over poole .  
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | cous [ comeonyouspurs] and i feel that way about jimmy greaves too . |
Another has been that liked the bevvy to much, not quite good enough to win a World Cup Medal. Not like Nobby and Bobby Thats the thing about Spurs you have to go back nearly pre war to when they last won a major trophy. 
Have to agree with Ray about Nicki.... those were the days...
And Kevin now that Barack Obama is president elect, by the time the season starts the good times should be coming back so we might see Nicki back in 2010 and be able to afford him 
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rayjay2
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good on you mate . cous will doubtlessly remind you spurs beat chelsea in the league cup final last seson to gain entry into europe . wish this country had made entry with football only . oops -- politics ? no just what most of us think .
what's that about obama , does that mean he is sponsoring ricky wells ?!
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Kevin54
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Ray, I was not responding to your comment, seeing Nicki in full flight in our colours was pretty darn good.
My post was in relation to the fact that people still seem to think it would be possible for him to ride for us now.
It's time for the rose tinted specs to come off
It won't happen, (unless we get sponsored by speedways' equivelant of the Arabs who just bought Man City).
He was dumped by our club, would you go back to an employer who treated you in that way?
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samthepalaceman
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| Kevin54 wrote: | | Please explain how we would pay for him? |
With money, BD isn't exactly strapped for cash
| Kevin54 wrote: | | Please explain how we would accomodate him in the team points-wise? |
Quite easily, Nicki instead of Watt and a reserve instead of Darkin meaning Gustafsson riding in the main team which I am sure he can handle
| Kevin54 wrote: | | OK, Spannerman says he adjusts his demands according to the situation, but as world champion he is not exactly going to be the cheapest rider in the league, is he? |
Already answered that
| Kevin54 wrote: | | And anyway, the unceromonious way he was booted out of the team at the end of 2007, he is hardly likely to look at certain people in our set up with much affection. |
He has clearly stated that Eastbourne will be the only British team that he would ride for.
| Kevin54 wrote: | | The idea of Nicki P riding for us again, in the current climate, is totally daft. |
Your opinion I guess
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parker
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| samthepalaceman wrote: | | Kevin54 wrote: | | Please explain how we would pay for him? |
With money, BD isn't exactly strapped for cash
| Kevin54 wrote: | | Please explain how we would accomodate him in the team points-wise? |
Quite easily, Nicki instead of Watt and a reserve instead of Darkin meaning Gustafsson riding in the main team which I am sure he can handle
| Kevin54 wrote: | | OK, Spannerman says he adjusts his demands according to the situation, but as world champion he is not exactly going to be the cheapest rider in the league, is he? |
Already answered that
| Kevin54 wrote: | | And anyway, the unceromonious way he was booted out of the team at the end of 2007, he is hardly likely to look at certain people in our set up with much affection. |
He has clearly stated that Eastbourne will be the only British team that he would ride for.
| Kevin54 wrote: | | The idea of Nicki P riding for us again, in the current climate, is totally daft. |
Your opinion I guess |
Thats a fair assessment but can you see BD going and asking Nicki to ride for us again.( love to see him back) further more, would he be prepared to pay out for Nicki I'm sure his wage would be slightly more than say Davey Watt dont you think
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MrB
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He could always charge kids full price to make up the difference 
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parker
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| MrB wrote: | | He could always charge kids full price to make up the difference |
Dont put ideas in his head
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