Aussie2
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SEASON TICKETS 2009Just been on the "official" site, and they have put out the prices for next season. There will be NO concessions. Adult £270, Children £108 (8-14). Family Ticket £520 - 2 adults £80 - each child (8-14). This does not include the Play-Offs, and Dean Barker's farewell. There is a special "Gold Ticket" which includes car parking and a grandstand seat. It also says that this will cover 1 guest in the seated grandstand. I hope this means the upstairs part of the grandstand. Does this mean that one person/driver can pay £310 and the husband/wife who is a passenger can pay £270. They also do not say whether the season ticket will include the price of a programme. We know the economic is bad, but once again it looks as though the senior citizens are going to be penalised.It also states that any additional fixtures arranged by the club not covered in the above will be FREE to season ticket holders.
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sussexbulldog
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Full text now on our front page.
Shame about the concessions but it does say contact the stadium in case of hardship.
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parker
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| sussexbulldog wrote: | Full text now on our front page.
Shame about the concessions but it does say contact the stadium in case of hardship. |
I think Bob was right to Knock the Concession to OAP's on the head. They are after all are the most affluent section of the British population. What with Free Bus passes up to £400 per year heating allowance (thanks to Labour) For to long now we've heard how they went down to Wimbledon, Cradley Heath, Hackney paid one and sixpence to get in, threepence for a programme etc. Nows the time for them to put something back into a sport with 80 years of hertige that they have had the privilege to follow. Anyway can't go on, got a bus to catch and can't find my pass  
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rayjay2
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told you earlier you had better visit specsavers , unless of course you cannot see well enough to get there . well said my season ticket days were over several times previously . will pick and chose matches i attend , which i , and many others did last season . if it does turn out so special and i attend more and spend more , then that will be ok . at least i won't be wasting my pension again . bobby is a pensioner too , but of course he and his employees , such as parker , don't have to pay admission . still think it unfair pensioners season tickets will be the highest increase of all entries to matches . if the speedway is good enough , if the management and team are good enough then the blow will be softened .
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Kevin54
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| parker wrote: | | sussexbulldog wrote: | Full text now on our front page.
Shame about the concessions but it does say contact the stadium in case of hardship. |
I think Bob was right to Knock the Concession to OAP's on the head. They are after all are the most affluent section of the British population. What with Free Bus passes up to £400 per year heating allowance (thanks to Labour) For to long now we've heard how they went down to Wimbledon, Cradley Heath, Hackney paid one and sixpence to get in, threepence for a programme etc. Nows the time for them to put something back into a sport with 80 years of hertige that they have had the privilege to follow. Anyway can't go on, got a bus to catch and can't find my pass |
Blimey mate, why don't you just go out and paint a bloomin' great target on your back  
The "grey Army" will be chasing you round the car park next season
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rayjay2
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you should know parker by now kevin , he's mischief with a beard . i have paid him back though , now we all know he doesn't pay an entry fee anyway . that's how he gets the " parker " , he is employed in the car park .
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Aussie2
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Where does Parker get the figures of £400 per year for senior citizens  Many of us do not use our free bus passes, but pay carparking charges. He is being very derogatory about the older people, after all if you look round who attended last years meetings, a great many were of that age. Many of us have been the backbone of Eastbourne supporters for the last couple of years. Why should we be penalised because we have have been thrifty during our working years. I wonder how many tracks are dropping the concessionary rates, not many I bet.
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rayjay2
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oops parker , i and others know you are only having fun , but some don't . anyway , no mention of paying on entry prices yet ? maybe i'll have to work on the car park to to get free admission . infact there might be so many of us may have to volunteer parker's job may be threatened !! 
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Kevin54
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You need an NVQ to do this job, Ray
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rayjay2
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ok kevin , i have to ask , what is NVQ ? not very " sumpthin'!?
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Kevin54
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It's a "Kwolifikashun". 
It means that we now know which way round those pretty yellow jackets go
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parker
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | why should we be penalised because we have have been thrifty during our working years. !: |
Well you had free milk at school, Free prescriptions now. No. the more I think about it the more I'm with Bob, Aussie2 Car Parkings not all Free, Rayjay still have to buy our own Florescent Jackets and we do 2.5 hrs parking Motorist mainly Pensioners according to Aussie that think they have a 747 when they park. Ray as for you helping in the Car park.. Sorry... theres and age limit. 
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emjay
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Parker, you may be joking (at least I hope you are) but isn't this a bit more of the Dugard arrogant attitude to supporters again. A few years ago we were told that the car park charges were going towards better toilet facilites. Oddly enough they still seem to be the rank dunnies that they always were. Where did the money go?
Now the OAP concessions are going. I didn't see that mentioned in the BSPA AGM report. So maybe its a solo initiative by Mr BD, who clearly belongs to the bite the hand that feeds you school of economics. That's more than a bit dated now, and maybe he will catch up with everyone else one day, though I doubt it.
For sure I'll be more selective next year - especially as it's still the same old Elite, with the same few teams. So let's look at it, using last year's prices. Say I went 10 times @ £13 plus programme. That is £150. If I paid full price and cut my attendance by say two meetings to 8, which I am now more than likely to do, I would spend £ 136. I don't think even Mr BD's accountants could tell me how I am contributing to a lessening of the massive losses which have been made over the past few years. After all, his overheads are exactly the same whether I go or not. And if its a fine summer Saturday, and a glass of wine in the garden beckons, then I may go even less. Must admit, it happened a few times this year! Its an 80 mile round trip, so I don't just save on the entrance and programme.
Also, if Sittingbourne opens up, that is much nearer for me, and a more interesting league. So, Bob my old friend, if there are a few more like me out there - and particularly if you increase your prices - you may just find your arrogance misplaced, and not so many on the terraces as you hoped for.
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MrB
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Right OK its moan time! (hard to believe I know ) The price is based on a minimum of 18 meetings as stated. 270/18 is wait for it.... 15 yes so if we get knocked out of the cup in the first round season ticket holders will be paying 15 Quid to get into each meeting! Now last year it was stated that season ticket sales hit a record high this season I suspect they will hit a record low  and with no concessions 
With the league being dragged down in quality two years in a row and with the current ecomic climate shouldn't promoters be putting prices down! after all they have been banging on about cutting costs for the last two seasons but did nothing this year to address the problems in the sport. Maybe someday a promoter will actually get out there and promote and bring in the extra supporters to allow a drop in price.
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Eagle1971
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| Kevin54 wrote: | | parker wrote: | | sussexbulldog wrote: | Full text now on our front page.
Shame about the concessions but it does say contact the stadium in case of hardship. |
I think Bob was right to Knock the Concession to OAP's on the head. They are after all are the most affluent section of the British population. What with Free Bus passes up to £400 per year heating allowance (thanks to Labour) For to long now we've heard how they went down to Wimbledon, Cradley Heath, Hackney paid one and sixpence to get in, threepence for a programme etc. Nows the time for them to put something back into a sport with 80 years of hertige that they have had the privilege to follow. Anyway can't go on, got a bus to catch and can't find my pass |
Blimey mate, why don't you just go out and paint a bloomin' great target on your back
The "grey Army" will be chasing you round the car park next season |
.....I think we should have a sweepstake to see which is the first meeting you get run over in the car park. I'll have £2 each way!
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rayjay2
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so much truth in what you say emjay . think we needed you to remind us . thank you . whatever happens one way or another , i will be spending less at arlington . so are we to presume that there is no co-financier with bobby , and we cannot even afford a proper team manager , which bobby was to hire .noticed some fans last season had made up their own programmes . good idea , see the teams , write names of riders into the 15 heats on the usual formula . as i won't be a season ticket anymore i won't have to buy a programme the selected times i do attend . think i will park car down the road on the parking spaces on the common . no more buying anything at the club shop . take own food and thermos flask , though the food is optional unless " they" have a share in these sales . bobby is acting like the banks are , we do have to deal with them , but not " you know who " . as purely a matter of intrest , still no info on admission prices , what about the same on the national league . not bothered whether it is included in season ticket , but no info anyway , as i along with many others will not be buying them without the relevant concession , and then that would have to be worthwhile . so early promise like the last two seasons , except many of us are getting disillusioned even earlier . talk to us and we will listen , act arrogantly and inconsiderately , we won't . 100 miles worth of petrol saved when i don't attend . it is so annoying , we do want to support our eagles but they are making it difficult . as for listening to those special cases who might get a discount if contacting them , will those be subject to a means test ?! 
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rayjay2
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as for yellow jackets , they make reasonable targets , but then i won't be parking there . just remember to put them on the right way guys , can't have you getting frozen assets
MrB you are so right too . no one is as blind as those who do not wish to see .
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peppapig
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| emjay wrote: | Parker, you may be joking (at least I hope you are) but isn't this a bit more of the Dugard arrogant attitude to supporters again. A few years ago we were told that the car park charges were going towards better toilet facilites. Oddly enough they still seem to be the rank dunnies that they always were. Where did the money go?
Now the OAP concessions are going. I didn't see that mentioned in the BSPA AGM report. So maybe its a solo initiative by Mr BD, who clearly belongs to the bite the hand that feeds you school of economics. That's more than a bit dated now, and maybe he will catch up with everyone else one day, though I doubt it.
For sure I'll be more selective next year - especially as it's still the same old Elite, with the same few teams. So let's look at it, using last year's prices. Say I went 10 times @ £13 plus programme. That is £150. If I paid full price and cut my attendance by say two meetings to 8, which I am now more than likely to do, I would spend £ 136. I don't think even Mr BD's accountants could tell me how I am contributing to a lessening of the massive losses which have been made over the past few years. After all, his overheads are exactly the same whether I go or not. And if its a fine summer Saturday, and a glass of wine in the garden beckons, then I may go even less. Must admit, it happened a few times this year! Its an 80 mile round trip, so I don't just save on the entrance and programme.
Also, if Sittingbourne opens up, that is much nearer for me, and a more interesting league. So, Bob my old friend, if there are a few more like me out there - and particularly if you increase your prices - you may just find your arrogance misplaced, and not so many on the terraces as you hoped for. |
You are spot on and won`t be alone. Not much to be exited about next year. Bobs policy seems to be rip off the faithfull.
National league won`t happen and season tickets wouldn`t have counted anyway
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rayjay2
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welcome back farmer boy  well we are getting uneasy , to put it mildly . think the promises so far are like a bag of crisps ---- to be taken with a pinch of salt !
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Aussie2
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| parker wrote: | | Aussie2 wrote: | | why should we be penalised because we have have been thrifty during our working years. !: |
Well you had free milk at school, Free prescriptions now. No. the more I think about it the more I'm with Bob, Aussie2 Car Parkings not all Free, Rayjay still have to buy our own Florescent Jackets and we do 2.5 hrs parking Motorist mainly Pensioners according to Aussie that think they have a 747 when they park. Ray as for you helping in the Car park.. Sorry... theres and age limit. |
I am afraid I do not find you at all funny. I worked all my life and have earned my retirement benefits, the few that we get. I do not drive, so it is my husband that parks the car, and it is nowhere near where you stand. By the way Parker nobody forced you to become a Parking Attendant at Arlington. You have been hoisted by your own petard by admitting that many of the LOYAL EAGLES FANS are senior citizens, and how many are going to be lost this year. Many of the other clubs are doing concessions, so why not Eastbourne. It does not say whether it includes the programmes, and also seating in the grandstand, unless ofcourse you pay the extra. Whether we are pensioners or not, we do not like being ripped off. There could be more in this than meets the eye, BD saying at the end of 2009 it was a loss moneywise, and there will be no more speedway at Arlington. Perhaps we are becoming cynical.
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parker
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| Eagle1971 wrote: | | Kevin54 wrote: | | parker wrote: | | sussexbulldog wrote: | Full text now on our front page.
Shame about the concessions but it does say contact the stadium in case of hardship. |
I think Bob was right to Knock the Concession to OAP's on the head. They are after all are the most affluent section of the British population. What with Free Bus passes up to £400 per year heating allowance (thanks to Labour) For to long now we've heard how they went down to Wimbledon, Cradley Heath, Hackney paid one and sixpence to get in, threepence for a programme etc. Nows the time for them to put something back into a sport with 80 years of hertige that they have had the privilege to follow. Anyway can't go on, got a bus to catch and can't find my pass |
Blimey mate, why don't you just go out and paint a bloomin' great target on your back
The "grey Army" will be chasing you round the car park next season |
.....I think we should have a sweepstake to see which is the first meeting you get run over in the car park. I'll have £2 each way! |
Well you might have to get there earliy because it looks like Aussie might get me first but if it attracts more punters then I'm up for it. at least you can see I was jesting. I have actually every sympathy with the lack of concessions both for OAPs,Familys and Students and have posted to such effect last season but as we know then they all fell on deaf ears, well there was a slight reduction in the OAPs but hardly noticeable.Particularly as Aussie first posted we have a good many loyal supporters at or near retirement age.
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rayjay2
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thanks parker .as usual you are right . , and thanks for explanation to aussie2 , she doesn't understand your caustic wit and comments as most of us do .
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Bazra
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Do we know how much we are charging per match for non ticket holders?
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MrB
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| Bazra wrote: | | Do we know how much we are charging per match for non ticket holders? |
Not yet but in the current climate and with the weakness of the league now it would be madness to have any increase on last year!
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rayjay2
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think they just are in a hurry to collect our money . the only way they can do that before march is selling the season tickets . think they will be a little disappointed with fans response .
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Kevin54
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I thought I'd woken up in a time warp..............season ticket time.....again
So we are charging £270.00 per adult with no concessions.
Just a quick trawl around other tracks brings the following;
Belle Vue: Three tier system;
Existing ST holders £265.00/concession £175.00
Others £285.00/concession £190.00
AFTER 31/12/08 £300.00 / concession £190.00
P'boro £295.00/OAP-concession £185.00
Poole £300.00 (that is speculated from their forum discussion)
Wolves £290.00/concession £177 until 30/11/08
Swindon "Elite Pass" £30.00 a month
I could not see anything else from other tracks yet but what this shows is that whilst the general season ticket appears a tad lower than other tracks, we are making NO allowance for OAPs' or concessions.
Why?
What have they done to p*** off management?
That does seem harsh, and is an issue management need to address.
Eastbourne/Bexhill/Hastings are regarded as "Costa Geriatrica" after all, and a fair few of our supporters come from there. (Not trying to be disrespectful, Aussie2)
Hence my comment at the start, have'nt we been down this road before? At least then SussexBulldog had some form of dialogue with Hagon, now people have to approach the club on an individual basis, and who makes the decision?
Kath 
BD must be approaching "that" age, bet he will start looking for OAP concessions
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rayjay2
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he is coming up to , or already 68
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rayjay2
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so is attendance to the national league matches included in the season ticket ? it would not seem so according to the statement issued . it appears they will be charged rent , will their income be sufficient to cover all their outgoings ? so what will the cost be at the gate for all official meetings , and still no concessions ? having seen the other elite clubs prices and concessions we are really out of line . what with the doubt that exists , the uncertainty , i wonder how many or how few will purchase season tickets at this time . the team announced may well be wishful thinking , the management formation and who may be coming in is not known , or details of marketing and sponsorships . bit soon to be writing cheques it would seem . each to his own though , we each make our own decisions . thought the possible reduction in vat might be passed onto us by the management . that i understand is the intention of it being reduced . the club's outgoings will certainly be less if this happens .
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iggy
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| rayjay wrote: | | thought the possible reduction in vat might be passed onto us by the management . that i understand is the intention of it being reduced . the club's outgoings will certainly be less if this happens . |
Clutching at straws a bit I'm afraid. If the proposals go through and VAT is reduced to 15% (which is the lowest it can be due to EU regulations), then the season ticket should be £5.75 cheaper. I'm not sure that will change too many people's minds!!!
It seems to me that the price of the full season ticket is cheaper than all other clubs (unless you were a Season ticket holder at Belle Vue last year). I would also say that my parents are pensioners, and come every week. We stopped going to speedway in the 80's (from when I was about 8 i would guess!!), only for them to return when my sister and I were old enough to pay for ourselves (about 18 ). Paying the full price would be an annoyance to them, but it wouldn't stop them coming.
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rayjay2
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i have held a season ticket for 16 seasons since i returned to speedway . usualy miss two weeks coz of holidays with the family , and recently if eagles at home on sky i watch this . about an hour and a half drive , so difficult to get there by 7.30 .turned up a couple of times only for track to fail inspection . ok , had text about weather , always optimistic , and half way there when text recieved .got stuck in flooded carpark , which was also annoying . so i decided on the weather affecting the track after that . when the upsets in the team and management came to a head , and we lost consecutive home matches with this being the fault of the discord and form i became more selective . swindon re-arranged on a monday , couldn't make it .koc was wonderful , first time we beat poole all season .
we have no idea what the team is actually going to be , only wishful thinking , as for an eastern european with relevant licence riding , he has let us down before , am genuinely suprised this is even being considered .when roman was riding he missed matches , and the promotion will pay airfares to /from russia ? thought they were trying to budget tighter this season .still all smoke and mirrors , as posted already , want to see all points in writing , but if not satisfied then my visits will be even less . press and practice day i always attend , that will clarify everything .
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ashfordeagle
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Still deciding on whether to get a season ticket this year.
With a 100 mile round trip and the fuel costs etc., having bought a season ticket you are almost obliged to make the trip on dodgy weather nights not knowing if it going to be on until you are on your way or already at the track. It happened a couple of times last season.
You don't really gain enough with a season ticket to reimburse the petrol costs when a match is called off.
Perhaps we will get a summer next year!!!! 
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rayjay2
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totally agree , have posted this already so won't repeat . any of us travelling a distance would likely feel the same . there are many of us . if the fans are local they can easily pop down the road , and infact judge the weather . they will not waste time and money , and will still be indoors when the weather and conditions text arrives .
anyway , far too early to part with that sort of money when we do not truly know very much that we need to .
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parker
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| rayjay wrote: | | far too early to part with that sort of money when we do not truly know very much that we need to . |
Might be a good idea in the present financial climate to hold on from buying a season ticket until the last minute.... might be instrumental in generating a reduction or concession. You never Know.
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rayjay2
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you'd be better than alastair darling mate . good common sense . the only beneficiary will be the "godfather" if fans pay now . 
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Kevin54
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I wonder if BD is going to install coin operated doors on the public toilets
Could be another way of raising extra revenue
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rayjay2
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probably charge for bog=rolls too .seriously though what a con that was , saying they would be improved .we don't mind giving , but we do mind being taken [ short!!]
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parker
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I think Bob has resigned himself to losing a good few supporters by his decision to remove what concessions we did have. Hes now reduce his break even gate figure from 1350 to 1000, I'm not a mathematian but thats about 25% roughly isnt it. Forward thinking dont you think! wonder if any consideration was given to attracting more supporters? I doubt it not with Trevor promoted to Co promoter If as hoped Martin D accepts the other Co Promoter position that will probably mean we have no full time manager chasing sponsorship or will BD be doing that?
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rayjay2
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parker , you have posted what many of us have been thinking , as so often . season ticket sales are likely to be sluggish , and probably less than recent seasons . the attendances ? at this time too difficult to say , so many aspects yet to be made clear to us . but if the team is as understrenght as the present management is , these could both be very relevant factors . so what is the position with the two prospective sponsors , and meridian . the ray of sunshine is if martin takes over from bobby .then we would see some proper promoting and advertising / marketing , team management also. otherwise it is understandable that bobby is expecting a drop in income generally .
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speedy
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Well if all that is being said on this site is true then I’m sorry to say there are two more life long supporters that will not be going back to see the Eagles
I have been a season ticket holder for so many years can’t even remember when I bought the first one, my wife and I have supported Eastbourne Eagles through thick and thin and there have been some thin times, but also some very good times.
But 2009 is out of the question for us without any concessioners we have just been priced out by the management, if we did buy season tickets at this excessively high price we are then being told we will have to pay extra for the play offs, plus the program one can only assume your not going to get with your season ticket.
And now we are being told there aren’t concessions on the gate for O A Ps we will have to pay extra to sit in the stands, put on top of that the price of the program it’s all just out of the question.
It’s good to see that Bob has taken into consideration fans like us, years and years of faithful support Home and Away, and said Sod the lot of you, and P…off
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mmmmethanol
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Speedy - I think you & others who feel the same should make your feelings known directly to Mr Dugard.
If a significant number of those who have lost out concession-wise were to get together, he might just reverse his decision, particularly as we are some way from the season starting.
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sussexbulldog
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I have emailed Martin Dugard to tell him the strength of feelings on this forum concerning OAP concessions but I agree a letter to Bob Dugard would be a good idea as well.
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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I see that Ipswich have released their Season Ticket prices as follows:
Adults: £300 rising to £325 from Feb 09
Concessions: £240 rising to £265 from Feb 09
Makes our £270 across the board look pretty reasonable if you ask me!!
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MrB
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I see that Ipswich have released their Season Ticket prices as follows:
Adults: £300 rising to £325 from Feb 09
Concessions: £240 rising to £265 from Feb 09
Makes our £270 across the board look pretty reasonable if you ask me!! |
That depends on the minimum number of fixtures they are saying the season ticket is for. If we only run our minimum number of meetings then the cost of a season ticket works out at 15 quid a meeting. Hardly the best value in the world! you may as well pay on the gate.
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parker
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| MrB wrote: | | ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | I see that Ipswich have released their Season Ticket prices as follows:
Adults: £300 rising to £325 from Feb 09
Concessions: £240 rising to £265 from Feb 09
Makes our £270 across the board look pretty reasonable if you ask me!! |
That depends on the minimum number of fixtures they are saying the season ticket is for. If we only run our minimum number of meetings then the cost of a season ticket works out at 15 quid a meeting. Hardly the best value in the world! you may as well pay on the gate. |
Dont we get a discount now Vat has been cut
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speedy dan boy
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spanners season tickets are
£290 ADULTS-includes programme,free parking and play off matches!!!!!
£240 OAP/STUDENT
£120 CHILDREN 10-15 YEARS.
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MrB
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| speedy dan boy wrote: | spanners season tickets are
£290 ADULTS-includes programme,free parking and play off matches!!!!!
£240 OAP/STUDENT
£120 CHILDREN 10-15 YEARS. |
Are they going to charge extra for a grandstand seat?!
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Aussie2
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| MrB wrote: | | speedy dan boy wrote: | spanners season tickets are
£290 ADULTS-includes programme,free parking and play off matches!!!!!
£240 OAP/STUDENT
£120 CHILDREN 10-15 YEARS. |
Are they going to charge extra for a grandstand seat?! |
It does not state as it has in other years that the season ticket holders will be able to reserve a seat in the grandstand plus programme. Only the Golden season ticket includes a seat in the grandstand plus parking fee. Also note the VAT has been reduced, will this be passed on. I admit that the price of £270 is good, as long as it includes a seat in the grandstand plus programme. Do not mind paying the parking as long as it stays at a £1. Will BD listen, have to wait and see.
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Bazra
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I think the £270 could be good depending on what the price is on the gate?
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sussexbulldog
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If you pass on the rate of VAT reduction you multiply £270 by 115.00 and divide by 117.50 The result is £264.26 !! Two programs and a parking fee ?
The only people that the VAT cut will benefit is the big companies.
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speedy dan boy
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| MrB wrote: | | speedy dan boy wrote: | spanners season tickets are
£290 ADULTS-includes programme,free parking and play off matches!!!!!
£240 OAP/STUDENT
£120 CHILDREN 10-15 YEARS. |
Are they going to charge extra for a grandstand seat?! |
IF anyone has a few picnic chairs for sale, arena is the best place to sell them!!!
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parker
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| Bazra wrote: | | I think the £270 could be good depending on what the price is on the gate? |
Can you see them charging more than £15 on the gate then Baz? particularly as Its an even more diluted elite league than last season.
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sussexbulldog
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| parker wrote: | | Bazra wrote: | | I think the £270 could be good depending on what the price is on the gate? |
Can you see them charging more than £15 on the gate then Baz? particularly as Its an even more diluted elite league than last season. |
Turnstile prices remain £15 adult £13 OAP/Concessions
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Aussie2
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Have just been on the "official site", and these are the prices they are giving for season tickets: OAP/Concessions £250 including programme, Adults £270 including programme, Children (8-14) £95 including programme, Family Ticket 2 adults, 2 children £685 including 2 programmes. Gold Ticket £310 - including 2 Grandstand seats of your choice (depending on availability), reserved for the season, free car park and programme included. So if two senior citizens want season tickets, pay to get one at £310 plus one at £250. On the day prices OAP/Concessions £13, Adults £15, Children (8-14) £6. Family Ticket 2 adults. 2 children £38 (programme included). Grandstand seats £1 per meeting, unless Gold Ticket purchased. At least they have listened to the supporters. Thanks BD.
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sussexbulldog
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I have e-mailed Martin Dugard and thanked him for responding to our email. Seems he has Bob's ear
Thank you Bob.
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MrB
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Well I'm not paying a pound extra for a seat! I urge a boycott of the grandstand untill this charge is dropped  Maybe the 80K Bob is asking for Ed can make up the shortfall of having an empty grandstand every week.
Didn't we have the same thing last year with concessions saying there wouldn't be any on the season tickets but then having a change of mind. Maybe that was the plan this year, make it seam like your listening to fans but say to cover losses your going to have to charge for a seat.
It could backfire as charging people more for a weaker product each year is madness. I may pick and choose my meetings next year as 19 quid for a meeting (all costs included) in this league is just taking the p...
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ray
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the spectators to the granstand will drop ,anyone season ticet or paying at the gate simply walked in . season ticket holders had reserved seats , didn't mean a thing . it was never totally full and i moved from my reserved seat coz there was mo0re leg room than the first row .so how will this charge to the grandstand be collected ? will you say and pay at the gate ,will there be somebody to collect at the grandstand . the bar takings will drop considerably , who will pay to use that bar , apart from season ticket holders , as ever . i have been a season ticket holder since 1993 , but the last two seasons i have regretted paying up front . don't want to risk a third time , anyway why would anyone pay early ? taking a chance on matters , and no reduction for early payment ?! some much to know yet , sponsors and riders have gone , then a rider hasn't , now another rider has .
so will there be a meeting in the bar/games room this year ? that really got us flocking in . the management were suitably impressed --- so were we !! but later
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speedy dan boy
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Its great that they have listened and i say thank you,but it does seem they are trying to get every last drop out of the loyal fan rather than chase new ones.
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Mr Flea
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i think the sad point is that unless the club generates more money it will come to a point where there will be no more speedway. Even in a season when the Eagles won silverwear they still had lossses of £30k, this is on the back of even heavier losses the year before. So either more people flock to speedway or prices go up. Now, seeing as gates seem to be declining the only option for the promotion is to try and get more money out of its customers. Its just a fact of life im afraid. Cleary BD is not in this for the money, but the club must make some money otherwise it will not exist.
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sussexbulldog
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I have to say that I waded through three pages on the other side to clarify the entry fee to the stands
I cannot stand for two or three hours so I will have to pay or do as I did in the past bring a chair.
I suppose if it is the only way to balance the books then fair enough but I can see a lot of empty seats.
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parker
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| speedy dan boy wrote: | | Its great that they have listened and I say thank you,but it does seem they are trying to get every last drop out of the loyal fan rather than chase new ones. |
Spot on speedy dan boy, the trouble is that pot gets smaller every season and unless they do more to attract more fans in then speedway is on a fast track to oblivion. They have just got to understand that they need to be pro active in bringing in new fans. Sponsors need to sell their name to the masses not the few
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ray
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speedy and parker you have hit the nail on the head . new fans are needed , some may have been before , watched it on sky , new to the area , though the latter doesn't put off the longer to travel fans , as we already know . advertising , looking for sponsors , when they attend and see a large crowd this will help them to decide their investment could be worthwhile . poole and lakeside are particularly adept at this . our management have to understand and develope their thoughts and actions , we cannot run and exist solely on entrance income from the fans . bobby must have somebody he will listen to , can only think of martin in that category .seems the management will consist of bobby , trevor , and martin , if martin does accept bobby's offer. if not we are on a slippery slope
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parker
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| ray wrote: | | speedy and parker you have hit the nail on the head . new fans are needed , some may have been before , watched it on sky , new to the area , though the latter doesn't put off the longer to travel fans , as we already know . advertising , looking for sponsors , when they attend and see a large crowd this will help them to decide their investment could be worthwhile . poole and lakeside are particularly adept at this . our management have to understand and develope their thoughts and actions , we cannot run and exist solely on entrance income from the fans . bobby must have somebody he will listen to , can only think of martin in that category .seems the management will consist of bobby , trevor , and martin , if martin does accept bobby's offer. if not we are on a slippery slope |
With Trevor still carrying on his full time employment in building work and Martin obviously heavily involved in the Machine busness who will have the time to chase sponsorship
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ray
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like i said , it is a slippery slope .if there is nobody there that is progressive instead of aggressive , thinks of the future instead of the past , the days of black leathers with no sponsors logos gone, the team unsponsored by some company with business acumen , possible new fans and old friends unaware of what is happening with eagles , what is likely to happen ?! not immediately --- but unless this approach , or rather lack of it , changes the slope will get even more slippery
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emjay
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I don't use the grandstand ( too noisy with those wretched air horns reverberating) or the bar, as I come alone and have to drive home. So no extra cost for me next year now that the OAP concession has been reintroduced. Thanks for that guys. A wise move which I am sure you will not regret. Of course there is the fuel, which our beloved Fuhrer has seen fit to tax further. Alas, even Mr BD cannot change that!
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Aussie2
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Just been on the "official site", and run off the application form for season tickets. It now states *Season tickets includes a programme & a reserved seat in the grandstand* Cannot see the point of the extra £40 for free parking & 2 reserved seats in the grandstand. on season ticket holders can pay £10 to reserve a seat in the grandstand for the whole season. Perhaps somebody could clarify that I am reading what they have printed is correct. Also whoever put the application form on that site should realise that it prints into two pages.
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MrB
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| Aussie2 wrote: | | Just been on the "official site", and run off the application form for season tickets. It now states *Season tickets includes a programme & a reserved seat in the grandstand* Cannot see the point of the extra £40 for free parking & 2 reserved seats in the grandstand. on season ticket holders can pay £10 to reserve a seat in the grandstand for the whole season. Perhaps somebody could clarify that I am reading what they have printed is correct. Also whoever put the application form on that site should realise that it prints into two pages. |
Sounds like last years details to me!
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ashfordeagle
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One good thing will be that if they are charging £1 to enter the grandstand then this will stop people walking through during racing and ruining the view of those already seated.
The season ticket / Gold card does seem complicated this year.
The idea of a season ticket was to avoid queueing, but as they put the concessions in the same turnstile, this defeated the option.
We will probably pay on the door this year and pay another pound to enter the grandstand. We won't buy jackpot tickets this year!!!
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ray
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as already posted , will there be somebody to check those entering the grandstand have paid ? oh yes when the emergency door is open at the other end , as it usually is , will there be somebody there too? . will these two be paid by the club ? starting to sound sillier and sillier !! might try what others already do , and mentioned before , a do-it yourself racecard . prepare one blank copy of the 15 heats , and fill in the names later . could even park outside in a layby on the heath . less and less reasons to buy a season ticket again . as for sending a cheque now , what is the point in that ? it has taken me sixteen seasons , but only really the last two , to think this way . so don't have to buy a season to save money , this sounds even more of a deal
as for reserved seats in grandstand , has not been necessary for some time now . they are never all occupied anyway , usually plenty of choice and places .
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parker
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| ray wrote: | | as already posted , will there be somebody to check those entering the grandstand have paid ? oh yes when the emergency door is open at the other end , as it usually is , will there be somebody there too? . will these two be paid by the club ? starting to sound sillier and sillier !! . |
Most track/support staff dont get paid there volunteers that give up 3hrs for free admission.
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sussexbulldog
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| parker wrote: | | ray wrote: | | as already posted , will there be somebody to check those entering the grandstand have paid ? oh yes when the emergency door is open at the other end , as it usually is , will there be somebody there too? . will these two be paid by the club ? starting to sound sillier and sillier !! . |
Most track/support staff dont get paid there volunteers that give up 3hrs for free admission. |
Ooohh !!! not even paid minimum wage
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parker
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| sussexbulldog wrote: | | parker wrote: | | ray wrote: | | as already posted , will there be somebody to check those entering the grandstand have paid ? oh yes when the emergency door is open at the other end , as it usually is , will there be somebody there too? . will these two be paid by the club ? starting to sound sillier and sillier !! . |
Most track/support staff dont get paid there volunteers that give up 3hrs for free admission. |
Ooohh !!! not even paid minimum wage |
Well with regards Car parks we just do it for the love of the Eagles even when they withdrew the free programme
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sussexbulldog
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Good for you. Just hope it is appreciated by BD.
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ray
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realise those like parker do not get paid , and what little " benefits - in - kind " there are seem to be rescinded all the time . my comment about checking people have paid to enter grandstand was rather tongue-in -cheek . we've got the tongue , they've got the cheek !! bit like politicians , best way to try and balance the books is to charge the public more .no forward thinking at all . at least we fans can make decisions for ourselves . the two current promoters have no idea how to promote
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Kevin54
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If they are going to charge for use of the grandstand and bar, that will mean 2/3 more people needed.
Presumably those people will need to undergo an "NVQ" course so that they are qualified to say "£1.00 please, have a nice day"
After all, an "NVQ" course had to be undergone so we could park cars in a straight line
Health and safety, my ****
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ray
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quite looking forward to seeing how the security , if any , operates . be even more fun getting round it . if they have nobody to check on people then how are they gonna collect the pounds ? certainly most , who do not have season tickets [ like me this time ],won't pay extra at the gate just incase we use the decent toilet upstairs [ oh dear back to the car park fee and improved toilets again ] .we have paid for that already everytime we use the car park find it rather amusing , as sometimes the truth may well be .
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ray
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been doin' my sums . OAPseason £ 250 , gate £ 13 . 20 meetings £260 . saving of £ 10 , 50p a meeting . as many other non-season ticket holders in the granstand i will run-ff blank copy of race card and fill in the the details . some just don't bother with programmes , and as pair of season ticket holders recieve two programmes , there is often one spare . so no need to spend that £ 2 then .so no season ticket , £ 1 entry into grandstand , so those without will probably not bother , let alone pop up to bar . it will be emptier than ever , and certainly bar takings will go down .
if , as last season i attend only 18 matches i will actually lose money if i renewed my season ticket . missed a couple of saturdays because of holidays , cannot drive in rush-hour for monday night meetings , swindon was re arranged on one , and as for sky it is easier and saves time , hassle and petrol , to watch it on tv . so 18 @ £ 13 is £ 234 . no point then ! some who live locally may still re-new , but others may reconsider . :
started taking my own drinks last season , but will still buy the burger .
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