Eagles v Poole 28th Aug 09

ComeOnYouSpurs · Eagles v Poole 28th Aug 09

I know that with Trevor in charge there is little chance of it happening but I'd like to suggest a change in the line-up for this fixture as follows:

1. Lewis
2. Lukas
3. Simon
4. Cameron
5. Davey
6. Ricky
7. Daniel

I think this makes much better use of the resources we have available to us and would give us a better chance of making those Pirates walk the plank!! Wink

MrB

I'd go with Simon at 2 and Lukas at 3 but I fear another loss could be on the cards here unless a few riders buck thier ideas up. Plus PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can somebody install into the riders we want to see some team riding!

ray

see my post on wolves home defeat . think trevor must pay BD , what other possibility is there ?! we haven't had a team manager since cook left , we've had trevor and we have made it abundantly clear this is one of the reasons eagles are doing badly and attendances are down Rolling Eyes

what idiot has it arranged for friday , which is not a bank holiday .many others , including me cannot or willnot take on the journey during the week . i couldnot take another season with BD and trevor even if they had stayed . they have destroyed what was eastbourne speedway . Sad

ComeOnYouSpurs

Calm down there Ray....

I agree that some of their methods are somewhat "unorthodox" and Trevor is hopeless as team manager, but without Bob and the Dugard family as a whole, Eastbourne Speedway would probably have died a death a long time ago.

A Friday evening aint ideal for me.... but I'm going to do my best to get there.... it's only a 2 hour drive after all.... and if the worst comes to the worst it could be one of only 3 meetings left at Arlington.

Just to add a little spice to the occassion.... I wouldn't be suprised if Hans Anderson is absent at the GP.... and who could be the best option for them as a guest.... perhaps a certain E.Kennett!!!

sussexbulldog

Well I am another who cannot make Friday evenings. In fact I can only make Saturdays so I will have to miss this one unfortunately.

Agree Davey should be at 5 though.

Sophies Mate

See Hans is missing tonights meeting due to Illness and they have booked Davy Watt as a guest. Have to agree that I don't expect Hans will be there on Friday should imagine he will be practising if he's fit. I have been trying to find out if this match has always been in for this date or if its one of the re-arranged ones does anyone else know if this is one?

ray

this friday thing confused me at first , it is the Good Friday , a bank holiday , we race home and away against pirates . as asked , who 's brainchild is this friday .
agree other post about dugard family being responsible for eastbourne speedway existing , which is why it is so hard to bear that one of them is now ruining it . without professional promoters , sponsors , management, and caring nothing about the paying public no sport can last .

Aussie2

ComeOnYouSpurs

I really hope none of you take offence at this.... but I'm just a little confused as to why there are those of you who say you can't or wont come to this meeting just because its on a Friday.

Why?

As a one off it surely can't be that difficult for you to fit into what must be extremely hectic schedules!

I work full time in Middlesex but will be trying to sneak off about 30 minutes early on Friday to give me time to make the 2 hour drive down to Arlington.

If it was every week obviously I couldn't do it, but once in a blue moon aint too much of a hassle.

Im sure that if you all really wanted to come you'd find a way.

sussexbulldog

I have to come to Eastbourne every Saturday on business. To come on a Friday as well would mean that I would not get my work done and I could not pay my [ massive ] mortgage. Now if I were to win the lottery Laughing

parker

ray

perfectly calm COUS , as i have no intention of being there .did my bit and gave the riders their annual models and pics as i have done for over 15 years . they are still worth it , they have been let down too . Cool

ComeOnYouSpurs

parker

ComeOnYouSpurs

I think we're saying the same thing parker.....

And if we could get decent attendances for the last few meetings it might just help to convince any possible new promoters that the potential is there....

sussexbulldog

Well I shall be there for all Saturday matches. I have only missed one and that was when I was carrying swine flu. So it looks like one more for me on 15th September.

ray

i do support the team , hence my annual pressies to them which have entailed time , effort and expense . BD will still pay them , he , like all of us has faults , but he is honest and almost too straight forward . most of you have expressed a common opinion on events and circumstances . intend to be there for the ippo match , but i am a weekend attendee only , as are many others .we all know things will have to change , we await now to see what these changes are .
remember some of us have sought to contribute more , but these attempts have been blocked .
enjoy friday , and of course we all want a victory Cool

ComeOnYouSpurs

With the result at Belle Vue last night this has now become a crucial relegation battle.

We are now only 5 points above both the newly strengthened Aces and Poole.

A 3 point win and we'd just about be safe.....

But a defeat, specially a heavy one, and we'd be in big trouble.

ray

well if we lose anymore home matches what do we deserve ? could it be " a cunning plan " with trevor taking the place of baldric , to get us into premier , as this is the only way for an elite team to gain entry into the premier next season Idea

not really ," calm down dear , it is only a commercial ". how can someone looking like that have the name " winner " Smile

it is suprising though with all that re-strenghtening poole are performing so badly . has middlo become a poor team-manager too ?think the morale and confidence must be very low . we expect to beat them , coventry will be a problem , and ippo, even before they re-built their team , won at arlington . could we really lose six or more times at home in one season ? Rolling Eyes

parker

ray

so it wasn't necessary unless people sat UNDER the grandstand . have to laugh , usual chaos from management .strange relationship they have with shelly's , no charge upstairs where the bar is . management have given control and decisions to shelly's on the clubhouse too , infact whatever they are paying rent on . management do their pontius pilate impression . Shocked

emjay

Friday should be interesting, though whether I shall go or not I havent decided yet. Friday is not a good night for me. Somewhere I saw an interesting comment that, if you could not finish in the top flight, you would be best off aiming for bottom spot. Reason? The extra play off meetings should attract good crowds. So is Poole aiming for bottom spot. Middlo may have a cunning plan!! Anyone got any thoughts on this?

ray

with middlo nuthin would suprise me . will always remember him giving away a 5-0 , so could use tac sub ,

Aussie2

Kevin54

ComeOnYouSpurs

ray

oh well that's ok then kevin , and peppapig might fly .will always remember that incident , firstly denied by middlo , the admitted .
the crowd reaction that evening had to be witnessed to be believed .
but he is still one of the best four team managers in the elite . still suprising how they have failed in so many matches this season , especially since signing andersen Shocked

parker

Aussie2

According to Poole's site Rory Schlein is guesting for Hans Andersen on Friday. Let's hope our seven have got rockets up their backsides for Friday. We will need them to get out of the gate, otherwise it will tough, like last Saturday. We must win, otherwise we could be in danger of dropping down the table. I do hope as many supporters as possible will attend. I know it is difficult if you work, but when I worked I used to work my lunch hour so I could get off earlier. Wink

ComeOnYouSpurs

During this thread we've had postings suggesting:

1. Eagles are deliberately trying to finish bottom as a way of gaining Premier League entry for next year.

2. Poole are deliberately trying to finish bottom to get themselves a bumper attendance for the relegation play-off meeting.

This could be the first "After you Claude" meeting in speedway history Wink

Kevin54

parker

ComeOnYouSpurs

The weather forecast is a bit dodgy so could someone down there in Eastie let us know how it looks come mid afternoon.

Providing the weather is ok I'm hoping to leave work at about 4.30 so an update just before then would be much appreciated.

Any news on line-ups yet?

Aussie2

According to the Poole site, Rory Schlein in for Hans Andersen, Len Silver replaces Ben Wilson and Leon Madsen makes his Arlington debut. Presume the rest of the teams is Holder, Screen, Pedersen, and one other. Cannot keep up with the team changes. Rolling Eyes

We must take the points from this match, keep the Pirates on ther bottom. Swindon beat Ipswich last night, so a win will put us above them. Cannot afford to lose anymore home matches. So out of the gate as though you have got rockets in your machines, and let's pile on the agony for the Pirates. Wink

ComeOnYouSpurs

I know thare are rumours that Poole want to finish bottom, but bringing in LEN Silver is making it all a bit obvious.

Perhaps it's his son Andrew (who'se no spring chicken himself!) that The Prates are tracking at reserve.

Sorry to tease Aussie2... but the thought of Len negotiating the bends at Arlington on his zimmer frame did make me smile....

Mind you... it might give Ricky the chance to win a point or two Wink

ray

think you will find COUS is right aussie2 . Laughing

andrew making a comeback after all these seasons will find it hard i think . remember him retitiring when an eagle and his dad left as promoter . think that was the beginning for john cook --- somebody will tell me if i am wrong , or was russell there first ? Rolling Eyes

Sophies Mate

Weather is Eastbourne - I am approx 4 miles from the stadium Windy slightly cloudy - white clouds not grey ones! We had a brief shower this morning at 9 but nothing since. What time will you be leaving COUS? Can give you an update before you leave if you want?

ComeOnYouSpurs

Hi Sophies Mate....

Im in Middlesex and it's also been ok here this morning.

I'll be leaving at about 4.30 to face the perils of the M25.... hopefully 3 hours should be enough.

So an update at about 4 or 4.15 would be great.

Many thanks,

Kevin.

sussexbulldog

sussexbulldog

I see that they have not switched Davey and Lukas.

Eastbourne

1. Lewis Bridger:
2. Simon Gustafsson:
3. Davey Watt:
4. Cameron Woodward:
5. Lukas Dryml:
6. Daniel Nermark:
7. Ricky Kling:

Poole

1. Rory Schlein ( guest ):
2. Joe Screen:
3. Leon Madsen:
4. Bjarne Pedersen:
5. Chris Holder:
6. Andrew Silver:
7. Steve Boxall:

ComeOnYouSpurs

ray

he is perfect ----- perfectly useless .no wonder we believe the management is not up to the job . we sometimes post to this effect Sad

ComeOnYouSpurs

Its come over very dark and gloomy up here in Middlesex. Looks like the heavens could open at any second.

What's it like down in Eastbourne?

Update..... The heavens have just opened up here!!!

Sophies Mate

Still very windy - Sunny spells brief light shower don't think it will come to much suggest rain gear just in case! Have checked the traffic flow round here, no problems M25 or round this area at all.

Michelle

Aussie2

Kevin54

It's 4.45, we've had a heavy shower earlier, but now windy with a blue sky and sunny, supposedly o.k. for the rest of the day, so hope that helps COUS.

sussexbulldog

It is raining heavily here in Broadstairs and I gather track conditions at Arlington are diabolical.

http://speedwayupdates.proboards....mp;action=display&thread=5009

Kevin54

Evening david, does not seem to be affecting Poole, 25 - 34 to them.
I am working, just "looked" in in a quiet spell, no doubt others who were there will say otherwise, but it seems Bridger left his brain behind in Poland, X 1 X tells its own story!

Poole, without Anderson should be for the taking, even their own supporters reckoned they had no chance.

sussexbulldog

Apparently Lewis withdrew with concussion.

The plot appears to be on course for the relegation play-off Laughing

ray

so another home loss . how pathetic .bridger and kling the worst culprits this time .bridger really lets us all down too often. two home matches left , might watch the one on sky , was going to last one against ippo --- think that is extremely unlikely now . heat 13 used to be good for us , but ray's friend cannot seem to see those days are long gone , and has not the sense or moral fibre to do anything about it . i really don't want to see him , so best stay away .
sorry you went to all that trouble tonight COUS . they don't deserve fans like you . Sad

parker

ComeOnYouSpurs

I dont think I've ever been more angry following an Eagles meeting than I am now.

If I've ever seen a more inept, hopeless and pathetic performance in an Eagles race jacket than that by Ricky Kling tonight then I cant remember it.

If he hasn't been sacked already then he should be first thing in the morning.

Having done some quick sums we'd have about 5.5 points available to replace him, and to my mind that's just about our only chance of avoiding bottom of the league.

I really look forward to someone coming on here and trying to defend the rider who we were told would be "one of the strongest reserves in the league". Like his riding.... what a joke!!!

Mind you.... having said that, none of them particularly covered themselves in glory.

We have a team that can't gate, can't pass (though they don't seem to mind being passed themselves), and can't team ride.

Hardly the perfect cocktail when it comes to a Speedway team!!

The only one who I would exclude from too much critisism would be Daniel, although even he managed to inexpicably throw away what should have been a comfortable win in heat 2.

Captain Davey Watt didn't manage to beat an opposition heat leader all night, and didn't look like he was particularly bothered. I mean... if it hadn't been for an engine failure he probably would have been beaten by (the mighty) Leon Madsen in heat 3.

Lukas had one great ride when he beat Chris Holder but then did his best to block Daniel in heat 11, changing a possible 5-1 into a 4-2.

Simon and Cameron both managed one good ride each, but little else.

Lewis is hard to judge. One completed ride, an engine failure and a fall... although at least when he fell he was going for a big blast round the outside. Hope the head aint too sore Lewis.

And as for Trevor..... forgetting for now the fact that he continues to stick with the same (completely wrong) riding order..... why the hell was the pathetic Kling kept in heat 8 when bringing in Daniel seemed like a no brainer.

All in all an extremely frustrating and annoying evening. If everyone at the club had put in the same amount of effort and commitment as I did to get there tonight, then I'm sure we'd have won the meeting quite comfortably.

Like parker, I'll be supporting the team until the end of the season, but if there aren't changes in both personel and the riding order for our next meeting I wont be happy!!

Here endeth the rant.

parker

I think youve just about said it all COUS although I thought as well as Daniel, Simon just about did enough to escape criticisim.Personally I think theses a couldnt give a **** attitude in the team. Having continually been told from almost the beginning of the season that we'd close if we didnt get more money from the Sky Fixtures then,because of poor attendances , then BD chose to announce his retirement and if another promoter wasnt found that would be it. When was that Mid season? bet all of that gave the team a real boost! Add to that the continued much publicised threat by Ray Stubbs not to attend anymore meetings that was probably the final straw Wink

. Trevor performance last night again showed his weakness when Lewis was unable to take his ride in heat 13 he sent out Kling who hadnt made a point at that I believe. I know sending out Daniel out would have meant 4 consecutive rides. Would Middo have sent him out? needs must some times. 6 races where an Eagle was excluded didnt help either. On other thing the meeting ended at 10.00pm the tractor spent more time on the track than all the bikes surely riders look for racing lines etc doesnt continually grading the track negate that?

ray

change in your last two postings parker,one you and aussie2 are there forever , then you join COUS Confused

mind you the experience must have been mind numbing . think that is seven home defeats ---that is truly awful . as said before the fish rots from the head down , our so called management's complete failure to promote , get sponsors , inspire fans , even to treat them properly would have been nice , run and inspire a team , total failure . "the management " reminds me of the Hale and Pace characters . Farcical. that they could have brought eagles to this is the biggest shock of all . Sad

parker

Kevin54

wotsits · eagles /poole

A dreadful meeting ,possibly the worst I have seen in years . The pundits who said we will finish bottom will be laughing now ,'cos I can't see where we are going to pick up any points between now and the end of the season .

ray

you know why i have been so rarely of recent times . you have either forgotten or you care more for eagles than your famliy .you disappoint me parker . am i still to think of you as a friend ?

Tweagle · Dreadful

The Eagles were an utter disgrace. We will finish bottom now and deservably so. Evil or Very Mad

I cannot say how disgusted I was by this shambles.

parker

speedy dan boy

WELL i was there last night and have to agree with what most people have said,but the one person who i think has got off lightly is Davey Watt.for me he is the one that should lead from the front,gee up the boys,get them going .In General if hes going well the team goes well,so to see him not really bothering or really putting in 110% effort does annoy me and even more so when he has a fag in the pits and talks to his mates not watching the racing annoys me even more!!! Davey has the ability and no how but its clear to see sometimes hes just not that bothered.

Mr Grimsdale

As an irregular and (originally) a novice visitor to Eastbourne speedway over the past few years, I have been lucky enough to see home victories on every visit up until Wolves last Saturday. Even that evening wasn't bad however, in that class told and there's no disgrace in that.

I have always looked upon the speedway as a pleasant and relaxing change from the teeth grinding frustrations and emotional outbursts of football fandom.

Last night though something changed and very early on my calm smiling exterior, changed to the fixed grimace, before finally settling on the teeth gritting scowl. I just about stopped short of singing 'What a load of rubbish' and starting a petition to sack the manager.

WTF was that? I am not old enough to have seen Fred Karno's army live but I got a real sense of that old time slapstick last night at Arlington.

I would be grateful therefore for a few clarifications from those sages out there in the ether to my questions below:

i) The same for both sides question. How is that on our own track, the opposition are flying round, whilst we are doing a fairly good impression of Bambi on ice from the first heat to the last? Surely rumours of an all night Eagles party on Thursday/Korean 'businessmen' with suitcases of cash seen hanging around Ladbrokes Friday lunchtime, are just that? Wink

ii) The 'number one' position/Lewis Bridger question. My first few visits to Arlington saw Nicki P as our number one, and therefore my impression of that role is of the steady and consistent accumulation of 3 point victories with your team mates picking up the pieces behind. Has this changed? Lewis Bridger may be a future world champion for all I know but whenever I see him the only consistent thing about him is his inconsistency, so why is he our number one?

iii) The technical question. Why, when during a re-run last night the Poole rider crashed, was the race awarded to Poole? I'm aware their other rider was leading at the time but is there a rule against re-re runs (which might have seen an Eagles victory) or was it just a time factor thing?

I thank you all in anticipation. Smile

ray

we have different opinions on many things , and the same on others . i took your comment as a slight , but i also asked you a question , which you have answered , thank you .
as for ray's-friend and lack of moral fibre , virtually all the posts are saying this with variations . he is not fit for purpose and should never have been contiued in that vital position . why are you raising that particular point ? if you agree , like most , or not ,what point are you trying to raise ?. this problem of having no leadership or astute knowledge , which are both necessary to be a team manager has indeed directly and indirectly lead to many no longer attending . the posts on this match certainly state what the posters think and feel .

MrB

Second week in a row I'm posting the same... Woefull gating, NO team riding when we are in front, NO team management in switching reserves round, Ricky Kling not getting a point at home against the weekest bottom 3 in the league Twisted Evil

Where's Alan Sugar when you need him? Rolling Eyes

Is this the worst Eastbourne team for years or are certain riders now trying to adjust thier averages for a team spot elsewhere next year? you decide!

I've heard there were people leaving after heat 8 and frankly I don't blame them, Eastbourne teams of the past were all about showing fight and determination. It appears this group have little left. A now can't see us taking any points (Ippo at home apart maybe) from our remaining fixtures and its looking like we could now fulfill all those 'expert' predictions and finish bottom! At least I'd get to see our final fixture that way as I can't make the Ippo date.

ray

MrB you speak for so many of us , i certainly have never seen eagles like that , cannot call them a team . but then the management have much of this responsibility . guess i should change the record and find a more pleasant air , be upbeat , maybe not even care--- it's only a sport and a small piece of my life . easier said than done . Sad

ray

MrB , you are so right , how so many of us felt . SPD was right about davey , i noticed him casually smoking , the apathy is so contagious . never seen eagles like that before , cannot call them a team . real no hopers . they fared better at swindon than these last two home matches . if we had real management it could have been so different , at one stage earlier in the season things were looking good .many are concerned about next season , others no longer care . have to wait and see what happens . what promoter would want to take on that poisoned chalice . the defeatism spread, the previous two seasons were disappointing , but this so so dispiriting , but the riders and the fans were hopeful at first , remember the excitement of p & p day .what a nightmare . a ship without a rudder is bound to founder Sad

Aussie2

What happened to Lewis's bike, he was supposed to get the engine tuned by Peter Johns. Before he had the crash he was riding like a novice, before anybody says anything I know he is really not a number one. Davy did not look fit, though I know he managed a good many points against Belle Vue. Ricky Kling seems to have gone backwards, it is about time he was read the riot act, or as some have suggested replaced.The two people who certainly did justice to the team were Daniel Nermark and Simon Gustafsson. It does not seem to phase Simon being at number two, he is certainly a world class rider in the making. I was so disappointed in the team, they were not gating and the Eagles spirit that we use to have has gone. Shocked

What has gone wrong, it is not only down to the management, but also the team, some of them just seem to be going through the motions. Perhaps it would have been best if BD had kept quiet about retiring, it seems to have put a damper on the team. If they ride like this against Lakieside, Coventry and Swindon, then we will certainly be wooden spoonists. Sad

One other thing, friendship aside, those that do not attend should not criticize, those of us that do can. Wink

parker

ray

glad to read aussie2 has now seen fit to crticise the management , or lack of it . to announce he was retiring and there is nobody in the wings is incredibly self centred without realising the further damage that has been caused throughout the club . the riders , the fans have had faith and hope snatched from them .agree with parker , aussie2 and all those who have never seen such apathy at arlington .comments on putting kling in heat 13 show we still don't have a team-manager .it is as if he too realises his sell by date is long overdue .Mr GRIMSDALE still has to endure frank spenser.as for next season, well at least it willnot be the same as this year , if indeed it happens .again find dugard mentality shows nothing for the people who have attended and supported for years , and spending their hard earned money doing so . the riders also know they are out of work in a few weeks . whether we do manage to compete next season , as all it is my fervent wish , the management will be gone anyway . if they showed contrition for what they have caused and admitted their faults one might respect them for that at least.

sussexbulldog

As you know I could not get there on Friday but I followed it as best I could on updates.

Diabolical from all reports but I shall still be there on 19th.

Aussie2

So it seems from today's report that Ricky Kling was not well. He did not tell anybody, and it was Simon who told TG at the end of the meeting. So their is some excuse for Ricky getting nil points. Seen that Simon scored a 15 point maximum yesterday, what a rider he is turning out to be. Very Happy

ray

thanks for info on ricky . so what riders would we really miss if they have to find new clubs next season ? well certainly simon , lukas [ when he is fit] , ditto davey [ but he is not a captain like some who we have had ] , and ricky , cam has been a big disappointment [ but really like him as a man , impressed with newmark , ---- but lewis i think i have had more disappointment over him than all the others added together .ok he may come back to haunt us one day , but i will deal with that if and when it happens . others in the past i still have enormous liking and respect for , all the eagles during those halycon years , martin , deano , david , ando , danno especially , and later mark loram and nicky , joe too .but still very special as a rider and a person --- adam . glad the truth is known about those circumstances no way was he ever one of the bad guys . think cook put up with " you-know-who " amazingly when those who could not are considered and how briefly they stayed . realising such now they could hardly be blamed .

ComeOnYouSpurs

So Kling had a mystery illness that no-one knew anything about until after his pathetic performance was over.

Watching his abysmal attempt at riding certainly made me feel sick!

IF it's true it's another example of a rider letting the club down by riding when not fit to do so.

Chris Schramm would have been available to ride on Friday and 3 or 4 points from him could have made the difference between losing and winning.

I'm not going to forgive Kling for his shocking performance and still believe that he should be replaced immediately.

And as for ray saying that Lewis has been the major disappointment this year... check some facts ray...

There are only 2 riders from our 7 who have improved and ridden anything like we would have hoped at the beginning of the year. Lewis and Simon.

Because of the poor efforts of others Lewis was forced to ride at no.1 far to early in his career and not suprisingly has struggled in that position.

Should we be lucky enough to find ourselves with a team for next year I would strongly suggest that if at all possible it be built around Lewis and Simon.

ray

COUS lewis was promised that if he stayed this year , at a vastly improved deal , he could go out on loan next . BD coulld not countenance the loss of him and kennett . so all in all it is more likely he goes out on loan [ or even sold as kennett and adam were which BD preferred to loan deals originally] . but as we know the future is uncertain .lewis reminds me of briggo in his early years , and he didn't do too bad .it is not the riding skills that are of concern , and certainly he will get even better , it is his lack of professionalism in his machinery , concentration , application and temprement which hopefully will improve . he could be a world beater , and is at times , but when watching that 19 year old russian and tai woffinden these aspects tend to show up . agree the overall situation and lack of leadership at eastbourne has been unsettling and upsetting --- this as we have learnt is a major factor in how most of us feel , even those who only stand and watch .his team are stressing with him the importance [ and financial benefit ] of riding in poland , which i fully understand and appreciate .we have seen every rider's head drop at times this year , also davey and lukas are far from fit .as posted with his average lewis had to be switched to number one , the selection of the other top four was a serious mistake , especially in heat 13 . lose that one , as happened all too often , and the match could be lost .
with proper management and leadership everyone would have ridden more consistantly , have been a team in the real sense ,the soldiers didn't really lose the war , the generals did . Sad

ray

one other point in other teams selections is that their strongest three riders are ridden at numbers 1 , 4 and 5 . this cover heats 13 and 14 best , in 15 the best two are selected . heat 12 have a lesser rider at 3 . we have davey there , which seems a bit of a waste against that set-up .lack of team management there it would seem . for this and any one of our riders not being fully fit , adjustments of which of our riders are ridind at 2, 3 ,4 and 5 should be considered fully before the first heat . positions can be switched upto then . Idea

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ComeOnYouSpurs

Blimey ray.... we've been saying that about our line-up on here for weeks now.

Sadly it seems that many of us have more tactical nous in our little fingers than "dear old" Trevor has demonstrated all season.

ray

exactly , but this was and is part of lewis' problem and he was the one we were discussing . shame " 'arry " is not into speedway Wink

Eagles v Poole 28th Aug 09

eagles /poole

Dreadful