sussexbulldog
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Eagles v Hammers Saturday 28th March 7.30 pmAny comments or predictions ?
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Tweagle
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This match might find us out imo.  Adam and Lee will probably score well and their second strings look very decent too.
Their reserves look characteristically EL standard though - ie woefully poor  so that's where we might have a huge advantage.
However any home win will be good. I can't see us retaining the trophy.
Hope I am totally wrong though.
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MrB
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Summed it up nicely there. This is a really tough test early on. There top 5 looks good so we must all perform to get through this.
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MD
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Think I may keep off this thread....
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wotsits
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| MD wrote: | | Think I may keep off this thread.... |
Very diplomatic Mark,you know and I know Adam will be his usual excellent self around Arlington  .
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ray
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so adam , joonas and lee , all ex-eagles . good memories of all , none let the fans down , we remember that .  all were shown the door , we remember that too .
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parker
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| ray wrote: | | so adam , joonas and lee , all ex-eagles . good memories of all , none let the fans down , we remember that . all were shown the door , we remember that too . |
Didnt Lee want to concentrate abroad and initially decided to give this league a miss. It is also alledged that he cost us more than Nicki Pedersen in his last season... I say alledged. Personally I think we will give agood account of ourselves over the Two legs against Lakeside
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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| parker wrote: | | ray wrote: | | so adam , joonas and lee , all ex-eagles . good memories of all , none let the fans down , we remember that . all were shown the door , we remember that too . |
Didnt Lee want to concentrate abroad and initially decided to give this league a miss. It is also alledged that he cost us more than Nicki Pedersen in his last season... I say alledged. Personally I think we will give agood account of ourselves over the Two legs against Lakeside |
I agree with you parker...
I think both legs will be pretty close with no more than an 8 point difference in either, and like last seasons semi final it could come down to a last heat decider.
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sussexbulldog
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I too believe the 2009 Eagles will put on a good show and that the results will be very close.
Roll on Saturday.
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ray
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hope so . parker is right to a degree about lee , but we still could have considered him ,even now , but lakeside have three great riders from us , though lee was only on loan .we shall have to see how they score against us , but at pity that quite a few excellent riders have been driven away , probably kennett too . others who are not our assets seem to be treated better , davey , for example .maybe they don't get bullied and are treated with calmer consideration .
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sussexbulldog
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Davey was dropped in favour of Scott/Lee last year and was without a team until Poole had second thoughts.
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ray
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it is something that happens in our sport . i understand and have to accept what is done , but not the way it is done . that is the point i am stating . 
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sussexbulldog
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Totally agree. The promoters have no understanding of dealing with people. They are treated as assets ie non tangible and something you buy and sell [ or in some cases loan ]
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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Until the points limit is scrapped.... or at least set at a reasonable total..... unfortunately it will always be that way.
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ray
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yes cous , but if you can be considerate and polite , hopefully others will act the same . you can part without recrimminations , and when you meet again you can still smile and shake hands but then we all know some who do not have this within themselves . those are the ones we are allowed to treat that way too 
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parker
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| ray wrote: | | hope so . parker is right to a degree about lee , but we still could have considered him ,even now , but lakeside have three great riders from us , though lee was only on loan .we shall have to see how they score against us , but at pity that quite a few excellent riders have been driven away , probably kennett too . others who are not our assets seem to be treated better , davey , for example .maybe they don't get bullied and are treated with calmer consideration . |
The nature of Speedway with the averages etc doesnt instill loyalty, either with promoters and riders, you just have to judge them on how well they performed for the team and give them the reception they earnt when riding against us. For example Eddie he always gave his best for us and should have agood reception when he comes back, he fell out with Bob not us Fans. We all now know the facts concerning Shields and had those facts been made known earlier Im sure some of us would have reacted to him differently. As for the 2009 team we have a team as good as most and it appears a good spirit as well, we just need to stay injury free. No doubt some riders will ride away tracks better than others but we just have to get behind the whole team. Forget about how riders were or were not treated thats history now. We had a good result last Sunday ifwe manage to come away with the trophy tomorrow what a confident start to the season.
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ray
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good post parker . trouble with old 'uns like me is we reminince , at least i can still remember the wonderful years with our eagles .when what serves me as a brain weakens even more i won't be able to remember the regrets and stop with my meanderings . hope i can rely on you to help me find my way from the car park into the stadium !  
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citrus
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see you all friday at the spanner bashing as they dont want to ride for the eagles get shot of them. all of our team are tryers at least they put some effort in and the spirit in the pits is far better tha its been for ages who needs nearly nichols etc
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citrus
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please excuse the crap spelling
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parker
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| sussex bulldog wrote: | | Totally agree. The promoters have no understanding of dealing with people. They are treated as assets ie non tangible and something you buy and sell [ or in some cases loan ] |
Perhaps the answer would be to do away with Assets and have riders as free agents signed on one season contracts. Anyway getting back to the thread that Ray has steared us away from  I think we will turn the spanners over by 6-8pts at home and continue our defence of the KOC 2009
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Eagle1971
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| parker wrote: | Perhaps the answer would be to do away with Assets and have riders as free agents signed on one season contracts.
"Anyway getting back to the thread that Ray has steared us away from I think we will turn the spanners over by 6-8pts at home and continue our defence of the KOC 2009 |
....I don't like the idea of that myself. Poole and Coventry will have first pick every season. At least we'll get some cash for Ed and we did raise him in a long apprenticeship at Arlington after all. He didn't seem to mind riding for us then.
....Squeaky bum time in heat 15. Eagles on a high and will qualify for next round by one point
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emjay
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Well, if the present team can beat Poole home and away, they can beat anyone. To our great pleasure, they have already made fools of the so called experts ( God save us from experts). And all that without the mighty talents of Nicholls, Richardson and Kennett.
If they all click together, no one is safe.
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sas
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I think team spirit will play a huge part this season and if that survives in the pits then look out. I really think the lack of it last season played a part. We are capable of beating anyone despite what the "experts" say. Good luck to the guys this weekend you can do it.
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parker
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| Eagle1971 wrote: | | parker wrote: | Perhaps the answer would be to do away with Assets and have riders as free agents signed on one season contracts.
"Anyway getting back to the thread that Ray has steared us away from I think we will turn the spanners over by 6-8pts at home and continue our defence of the KOC 2009 |
....I don't like the idea of that myself. Poole and Coventry will have first pick every season. At least we'll get some cash for Ed and we did raise him in a long apprenticeship at Arlington after all. He didn't seem to mind riding for us then.
....Squeaky bum time in heat 15. Eagles on a high and will qualify for next round by one point |
Swindon seem to get all the good young Aussie Assets probably due to the Lee Adams connection I'm not advocating doing away with assets or riders being Free agents much for the reason you've given. We have to admit that with the current averages changing every season its very hard to build a team for the future you cant really look any further than one season. Getting back to the thread what sort of reception will Lee recieve from the Home fans?
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samthepalaceman
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I hope it will be a good reception bearing in mind he was the captain and did no wrong for us.
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sussexbulldog
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| samthepalaceman wrote: | | I hope it will be a good reception bearing in mind he was the captain and did no wrong for us. |
Yes I agree with that. Apparently changed his mind about riding in UK after persuasion by Martin Hagon but we already had our team lined up.
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Kopster
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If the weather doesn't beat us I can see Lakeside will. We can say thing last we have a good reserve's, Floppy back and Lewis going good. But what counts at the end of the day is results on track and after yesterday I can't see us getting one today. Dryml is not going well at all, Floppy is riding ok but just not getting the point which he deserve. Kling doesn't seem to be the rider we know he can be and Cam isn't riding last season. If it was for Davey, Lewis and Simon we wouldn't had got the points we did last night. I think that the riders need our support tonight coz it going to be a tough one for them.
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Tweagle
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| Kopster wrote: | | If the weather doesn't beat us I can see Lakeside will. We can say thing last we have a good reserve's, Floppy back and Lewis going good. But what counts at the end of the day is results on track and after yesterday I can't see us getting one today. Dryml is not going well at all, Floppy is riding ok but just not getting the point which he deserve. Kling doesn't seem to be the rider we know he can be and Cam isn't riding last season. If it was for Davey, Lewis and Simon we wouldn't had got the points we did last night. I think that the riders need our support tonight coz it going to be a tough one for them. |
I agree with this. I think we are going to need a certain Russian sooner rather than later. Hope he's studying his Russo/ English dictionary !.
Weather looks bad from West Kent - I can't see it being on unless it's better at Sussex by the Sea.
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parker
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| samthepalaceman wrote: | | I hope it will be a good reception bearing in mind he was the captain and did no wrong for us. |
I think it will be,scored well for us although I can hardly see us cheering if he wins Like wise for Shields when he's come back as a guest he's done ok. Cant agree with Kopster that Floppys riding ok, to be fair he had a poor meeting last night as did half the team but you could tell by his body language he was'nt happy with the way things were going.We need him to at least make his average and he's well capable of that. I would hope to see all the team step up to the mark tonight we've nothing to lose now and anythings possible.
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speedy dan boy
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hagon sponsored robert mear WILL ride tonight in place of chris mills for the spanners as ryes match on saturday was called of very early today!!robert looked unlucky to just score 1 point at lakeside so it will strenthen the team!!!
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Kevin54
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| Tweagle wrote: |
Weather looks bad from West Kent - I can't see it being on unless it's better at Sussex by the Sea. |
Well, at the moment it is windy, cold and sunny here, 5 miles from the track.
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MrB
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Blue sky and sunshine at the mo in Mid Sussex, can't see a problem with the weather. As for the fixture, it's probably over now but a win on the night would be nice!
Incidently why is this first round being held so early in the season. For teams who dont really have a chance in the league and go out in this round the season is virtually over after 1 or 2 meetings!
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Kevin54
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Dark clouds, squally wind accompanied by short sharp showers, then it goes calm again, forecast is for showers on and off.
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citrus
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so its still on then
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MrB
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Me and my big mouth  Very dark and wet here in Mid Sussex now. Whats it like near the track?
EDIT. Bit brighter now 5.20 but still damp. Roll on the summer
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Kevin54
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Raining down here, Mr B, (Lewes area, 5 miles from the track), but at the moment not that hard, just uncomfortable 
Cold and windy as well, who thought of starting speedway in March 
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nug
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Im gonna take some flack here but im concered with norris, we will wait and see if bob is as good as his word when saying he will make changes if a rider dont perform, (cant see it myself) starting to think norris should have come back in some sort of mangement role at eastbourne and not as a rider
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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A bit better than last night but we're out of the cup thanks to the terrible performance in the away leg... which leads me to my first rant of the 2009 season...
How can a team that was put together based on strength in depth and carrying no passengers put up with 4 of it's members contributing a total of 4 points between them?
That just aint good enough.
I've read remarks on other threads like... we know this rider will come good... or... that rider is still finding his feet... or... the other rider just needs some confidence.
But how long are we prepared to wait for these things to happen?
Bob Dugard said at the start of the season that below par performances would not be tolerated and if required changes would be made.
How long will his patience hold?
We're already out of one of the major competitions and if we come up with a couple of dodgy league results while we're still waiting for riders to "come good" or "find their feet" or "get some confidence" the season could be as good as over before the end of April.
Should that happen, rather than complaining about attendances of 970, Mr Dugard might find himself praying for them!!
And while I'm having a moan... would Mr Geer please have a serious look at the teams riding order. At the moment it looks totally out of whack and unbalanced to me. Floppy should NOT be riding at no.5.
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Kevin54
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Fair point COUS, but Lakeside is not one of our favourite tracks in recent years, and let's face it, with the abysmal performance on Friday it would have taken something like half the Lakeside team failing to turn up for us to go through
Plus points 
We won.
Lukas, I've criticised him, but he got 8 points, 2 wins including one over Shields, well done.
Minus points
We're out of the cup, almost a re-run of what happened last time we won it.
Floppy, I still say he should be cut some slack after his injuries, being sentimental, but I am also still of the opinion that he should not be back on track, either. I have to ask what people expect from a rider who suffered head injuries resulting in major "balance" problems and has been out of the saddle for 18 months, and before that not really in a fit state to ride on occasions?
18 point maximums each meeting
This team has far better potential than the so called "pundits" give them credit for.
Look at Poole, tipped for the top 2, and in turmoil at present with virtually the whole team being mauled in their forum, except for Screeny.
Simon has started well, Bridger is a vast improvement so far, Davey has just proved what we expected, hopefully Lukas will shove my criticism back down my throat, and now the cup is out of the way the others can fully focus on their form with "just" the league to concentrate on.
Here endeth the Sunday Sermon
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Eagle1971
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| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: | | And while I'm having a moan... would Mr Geer please have a serious look at the teams riding order. At the moment it looks totally out of whack and unbalanced to me. Floppy should NOT be riding at no.5. |
At home I think we should move Cameron from two as presently he's finished his rides after heat ten. Maybe he would be better off at four with Lukas at two.
Daves had three home meetings now. He's started off with a win each time then nothing really afterwards. Nothing away either.
It looks as if the KO Cup has been used as a warmup for the league this season. However, the league is now starting and we need a new number five in the team as we are lacking something.
Who's available though?
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nug
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I dont expect 18 points every meeting from floppy kev but i do expect more then 5 from a rider in a heat leader role home and away, fair enough he has had his knocks and head injuries in the past but it was his decission to make a comeback it was not forced upon him. If during the winter months bob dugard had reveled the team but to say at the same time its gonna take floppy 10 meetings to get going again so expect some poor displays possiable some defeats and a cost of a play off spot, would of that been accepted by us fans? I dont think so. So why should it be now.
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parker
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[quote="Kevin54"]
Floppy, I still say he should be cut some slack after his injuries, being sentimental, but I am also still of the opinion that he should not be back on track, either. I have to ask what people expect from a rider who suffered head injuries resulting in major "balance" problems and has been out of the saddle for 18 months, and before that not really in a fit state to ride on occasions?
18 point maximums each meeting
I have to ask whether youve seen Floppy ride this season hes certainly not the floppy of old and regretably probable never will be.
How much slack he is given is down to BD & TG but racing him at 5 I think puts to much pressure on him. Last night in his heats he was up against Richardson, Kylmakorpi,Shields, but you would have expected him to have beaten Daviddson who picked up his only 2 points of the evening against Floppy. Another added pressure is that in 2 of his heats he rides with Ricky Kling who himself is struggling although he looked a bit better last night but we only ever seem to pick up 1pt in those heats. I dont know what others thought but Floppy looked agitated when at the tapes, frustrated with usual amount of time riders take to come to the line I suppose its a problem of only having 2 heat leaders doesnt give us many options. On a brighter note Lukas had a good meeting and I'm beginning to warm to him I thought he started to look at home on the track
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Tweagle
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If the pundits were right we should have lost all four meetings so far. We have won 3 and lost badly in the fourth.
I agree Floppy isn't currently right up to the mark for a number 5 but I thought he was a littlle better last night. He tends to get picked off at the entry to bend 1 even if he gates decently, however it's hardly surprising he is a little wary of first bend bunching. He has faced the opposition big guns in a lot of his outings so I am not too concerned at present. It's bound to take time.I agree there is case for swapping Floppy with Cameron in the line up. It must be worth trying.
I thought Lukas was massively improved last night and that must augur well for future home matches.
I can't see us losing many home fixtures. Lakeside are clearly a possible title contender yet they never threatened to come close.
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ray
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opinion seems that floppy should not be riding at 5 at this time , and pairing with kling is weak .so BD and TG are you of the same opinion ? only 1 and 6&7 positions are mandatory, so let us see your team management show you are up to it . next week belle vue , rememer james getting his best ever score . well they are no stronger this year .good time to try new pairings perhaps ?!
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Kevin54
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[quote="parker"] | Kevin54 wrote: |
Floppy, I still say he should be cut some slack after his injuries, being sentimental, but I am also still of the opinion that he should not be back on track, either. I have to ask what people expect from a rider who suffered head injuries resulting in major "balance" problems and has been out of the saddle for 18 months, and before that not really in a fit state to ride on occasions?
18 point maximums each meeting
I have to ask whether youve seen Floppy ride this season hes certainly not the floppy of old and regretably probable never will be.
How much slack he is given is down to BD & TG but racing him at 5 I think puts to much pressure on him. Last night in his heats he was up against Richardson, Kylmakorpi,Shields, but you would have expected him to have beaten Daviddson who picked up his only 2 points of the evening against Floppy. Another added pressure is that in 2 of his heats he rides with Ricky Kling who himself is struggling although he looked a bit better last night but we only ever seem to pick up 1pt in those heats. I dont know what others thought but Floppy looked agitated when at the tapes, frustrated with usual amount of time riders take to come to the line I suppose its a problem of only having 2 heat leaders doesnt give us many options. On a brighter note Lukas had a good meeting and I'm beginning to warm to him I thought he started to look at home on the track |
As you very well know, Parker, I have'nt seen him ride this season.
Your very well put comments only add to the second part of my opening sentence concerning him, personally I am still of the opinion he should not be back on track.
I also said, way back when his comeback was announced, how much of this was his decision, and how much of this was influenced "elsewhere" by other parties knowing that he missed racing, and having an eye on the possible extra "bums on seats" his presence may generate.
Not very well received in some quarters
Floppy is hugely popular, but surely, with a young family, a career lined up, if any careers are safe in this current climate, WHY take the risk to his health that another bad crash could bring?
And there is always that other point for a sportsman, end your career on your terms, by leaving your fans with good memories of you, not their final memory of someone trying to recapture former greatness, and failing.
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parker
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I'm not advocating ditching Floppy certainly not after only 4 meetings but having him at 5 is asking too much of him especially with Ricky Kling paired with him twice. Ricky I thought showed a little improvement last night.If Dave is to stay at 5 would it be worth while swapping the reserves around. As for Kevins post I think only Floppy can make the call when to call it a day. I agree with Tweagle that we will be hard to beat at home we've only had one bad meeting and then 3 riders rode very well that night. It is early days, to soon to make kneejerk reactions especially before the league season starts we've had 3 wins out of 4 against teams considered stronger than us.
I've no doubt the team manager will give due thought to all the useful advice we've given him
On a downside not a good crowd probable due to the weather and the previous nights result.
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ray
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so will the pairings be changed next saturday , as many think they should , as posted , it would seem the ideal time to try this . won't hold my breath though . will actually see for myself at last . now the car and i have passed our MOTs .
think you are right , floppy will put bums on seats [ even those now bringing their own ] . apparently no one collecting the £1 at the grandstand at the poole match , was there last night ?
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ComeOnYouSpurs
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Seems that everyone on here agrees that putting Floppy at no.5 is expecting too much of him while he's feeling his way back into things.
So what do we think the line up should be?
Here's my suggestion....
1. Davey
2. Floppy
3. Lukas
4. Cameron
5. Lewis
6. Ricky (or Denis if Ricky don't get his finger out pretty quick)
7. Simon
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speedy dan boy
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Normally i have to agree with what people say on here but sorry not this time.
1--- we were just unlucky that the KOC 1st round was so early this year,normally it would have been a few ch matches,craven shield etc.
2-- Im lost for words about the negative words on floppy.yes he isnt riding at his best,and yes he should be moved from riding at 5,but at this stage of the season i cant understand even questioning floppys comeback.The only way after 18 months out is to get races under your belt and he already shown he can win races.Take the pressure off him and let him settle back in,watching floppy and barker in the pits creates a positive vibe and with dryml as well an upbeat person the team spirit is great.whatever floppy does this season is a bonus,but at the moment the last thing on my mind is to say anything abbout floppy at this very early stage.
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MrB
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| parker wrote: | | I dont know what others thought but Floppy looked agitated when at the tapes, frustrated with usual amount of time riders take to come to the line. |
He certainly did, I watched from near the start line last night (not the grandstand! and yes there were people collect the £1's both last night and at the Poole meeting) and he was getting increasinly wound up by Richardson who was taking the p in the amount of time he took to line up, in 2 races Floppy let him get to him turning round and shaking his head at Lee, maybe that had an effect on his race?
| ComeOnYouSpurs wrote: |
Here's my suggestion....
1. Davey
2. Floppy
3. Lukas
4. Cameron
5. Lewis
6. Ricky (or Denis if Ricky don't get his finger out pretty quick)
7. Simon |
I said the same last night, I'd have this line up certainly at home and with home teams having to declare first I'd change it around to suit away from home. At the moment it looks like NO tactical choices are being made and where have we seen that before?!
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GazzaH
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I am inclined to agree about the splitting the pairing up of Floppy and Ricky, both riders have had awful injuries too come back from and Floppy has been out of the saddle longer. Just to take the pressure of off them so soon into the season. I also think moving Floppy to the 2 or 4th berth and swapping the reserves around could be more fruitful.
One question...... as I dont get the Speedway Star and as such, miss out on most of the goss, but why is it that Poole have a bye in Cup tournament? it seems to me that for arguments sake they could win that and are through to the quarters. Apologies if the question has been posted elsewhere.
I would have thought that the cup winners would have a better argument to have that....irrespective of how we finished last night!
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ray
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yes MrB, team management is vital . with the new rules we should be considering the opponents strengths and weaknesses , and putting our team in the appropriate formation . only 4 matches , and only one poor one , we always get one or two of those , sometimes more , a season .
as for floppy , think most of us are concerned and expecting too much too soon . of course we worry about him , because he is special to all of us . our wounded hero . getting unsettled at times , perfectly natural , he doesn't want to let us , or himself , down . we must understand and appreciate that . he is our floppy , and he is very special . be there for him , show you care , you can do that in the pits before the match . we are his fans , we must also be his , and the team's supporters .
sorry to hear the grandstand is guarded by the secret police . i find that very annoying , think most of us do . well my new seat will be christened on saturday . thought only corrupt and useless politicians lost their seats
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parker
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| speedy dan boy wrote: | Normally i have to agree with what people say on here but sorry not this time.
1--- we were just unlucky that the KOC 1st round was so early this year,normally it would have been a few ch matches,craven shield etc.
2-- Im lost for words about the negative words on floppy.yes he isnt riding at his best,and yes he should be moved from riding at 5,but at this stage of the season i cant understand even questioning floppys comeback.The only way after 18 months out is to get races under your belt and he already shown he can win races.Take the pressure off him and let him settle back in,watching floppy and barker in the pits creates a positive vibe and with dryml as well an upbeat person the team spirit is great.whatever floppy does this season is a bonus,but at the moment the last thing on my mind is to say anything abbout floppy at this very early stage. |
I dont think any of us want Floppy dropped, just tinker with the order to take some of the pressure of him, and I'm sure hes an asset in the pits. As its been posted earlier we've won 3 out of 4 meetings against sides most expected us to lose to, not a bad start.
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sussexbulldog
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Had my first visit to Arlington last night and sat on my new seat just before the third bend.
I agree that Floppy should be moved from 5 and preferably to 2 with Lewis going to 5 and Cam to 3.
The track conditions seemed poor to me but with the rain I guess they were probably as good as you can expect. This could have played into Adam's and JK's advantage though ?
Looking forward to next week.
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ray
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so i know where to find you . there will be two new orange seats then
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ray
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so in the heat where floppy and the other 3 slowed and virtually stopped it was because the riders saw a red light ----- from a video camera !  flashlight photography is also not only dangerous , but forbidden . so think it time the transgressors are made fully aware of this as they constantly ignore the announcement to that effect . . we british are so docile about almost everything , but let us stand up for our speedway at least .
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Aussie2
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| ray wrote: | | so in the heat where floppy and the other 3 slowed and virtually stopped it was because the riders saw a red light ----- from a video camera ! flashlight photography is also not only dangerous , but forbidden . so think it time the transgressors are made fully aware of this as they constantly ignore the announcement to that effect . . we british are so docile about almost everything , but let us stand up for our speedway at least . |
This is not the first time this has happened, perhaps it is time to ban all videos and cameras from meetings. I know this will hit the people who use this equipment responsibly. We do no want any rider to have an accident because of the stupid behavior of some people. The alternative is to throw them out, and warned as to their future behavior. We must give Floppy time to settle down, I know he does not like riding at number 5. The answer could be to move Lewis to 5 and Floppy to three.
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ray
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there are responsible people , on this website , that we are very grateful to for their excellent pics , so a total ban would not be right or fair . but we have all seen the red lights flashing during the racing , the riders see them too . these are the ones who need " educating " , now so many of us are no longer cut off in the grandstand we can assist with that " education " 
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Travelator
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As far as we could see the light was not from a camera. We sit in the main grandstand and could see a red light behind the 4th bend fencing which looked like a rear red cycle light. Seemed strange that all four riders pulled up and no action taken although did see hammer team waving their team on to continue riding. Some people just don't understand the danger of the sport! idiots.
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ray
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that's where i have seen it over several seasons travelator , when i was in the grandstand , we all were suprised and annoyed at the thoughtless action . the announcement requested those responsible ceased . usually it did , but some meetings later it would happen again , and then the same announcement . so never considered anything but what the announcer said . have seen it , and flash photography between the first and second bends also .
as no longer in the grandstand i , and others will likely investigate further occurences , but sincerely hope there are none . have to wonder if others near to the source of the problem didnot notice it . but there are , as you say , always irresponsible idiots . so we shall see . these people should be warned officially that they will be evicted , and such should be done if they continue to do so .hopefully the management and stewards will see to this if necessary . but one way or another it cannot be allowed to continue . 
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