Eagles v Hammers 25th July

mmmmethanol · Eagles v Hammers 25th July

Looks like Adam Shields has broken his collarbone. A shame to miss Adam in action.

Understand they'll be using R/R.

Is it correct that we will be missing some riders due to other commitments?

ComeOnYouSpurs

Sad news about Adam..... good luck and best wishes to him.

At present I think The Eagles have a 4 man team for the fixture.... but I'm sure that an exciting new signing is about to be announced any minute.... well.... I can but hope!!!

ray

afraid so , simon and lukas away i think . lewis would have been but failed to qualify for net round of his international competition . so what guests this time , how about adam if he fits in , but NOT skornicki and klindt again , or that peterboro bloke , feel almost glad i cannot be there until ipswich match at earliest . that sort of thing cannot happen in the premier --- oops going on about it again ! so any news of Max ?

sussexbulldog

ray

the one with the fig leaf , hence the expression " would you adam and eve it " as my old dad used to say .make it intresting though , one heat in red , next in green [ still prefer that white helmet ] . well david , at least you are awake , i obviously was not Wink

MD

Lakeside have signed Swiderski to cover for the injured Adam Shields but Swiderski is missing for this meeting along with Jonas Davidsson. Bjarne Pedersen comes in as a guest and they will also use R/R.

With Davidsson missing for the Swedish championship does this meen that Simon is missing too?

ray

as posted , yes he will be missing too . so who will our two guests be ? so swiderski joins them , not for this match though . our replacement for david ?!--- still no news for us , what about max , swiderski was on our list --- so we are told . they are always telling us things but nothing seems to happen . no wonder the attendances are dwindling .so that is poole , swindon , coventryand ippo sorted too. us, still nuthin ' Sad

parker

mmmmethanol

Cookie doesn't hang about, does he?

wotsits · eagles/ lakeside

With a 4 man team ,surely we will have to use Chris Schramm (if available), Then R/R for Floppy leaving 1 guest to find surely can't be that difficult ,Can it? Sad

ray

how can we possibly support and trust this management , some don't and no longer attend , others are thinking this way .support the team , yes , but we do not have a team so much of the time . when " they " get guests these from wolves , peterboro et al are never up to the task . what are we supposed to think ? every other team with problems sort them , our lot make them even worse . since cook left the downward slope keeps getting steeper .they may be saving money , but they will lose it at the gate Sad

Kevin54

So what is it going tobe then?, an eagles select V a hammers select?

Teams comprising guests?

The domestic league held hostage by the whim of Olsens' empire and the FIM?

ray

kevin, as usual you are right . elite meetings are at the bottom of the priorities of everyone , including that pack of useless wasters , the bspa .if they are supposed to run and control british speedway ,. oh yes , and support it , there is no future . sometimes think they wish to dispense with the elite [ hardly be called that anymore anyway ] and have a dislike for eagles . impossible position for us , financially it seems we have to race on saturday nights , but with the afore mentioned" select" teams having to be fielded we are losing intrest and enthusiasm .
on our side , why is it all proimises and no delivery . so we lost swiderski by .2 of a point , poole get special dispensation to sign andersen and boxall . so bspa won't help us , and we have no time for bunch of self serving incompetents . they are only fit to be politicians , which they are already in their own amateurish way . Confused

as somebody has already posted --- last one out , please switch off the lights . intend to attend one more time when my wife is well again , and say goodbye to friends . after 17 seasons it has come to this .got over losing wimbledon after 26 years , i will get over this too. BUT if a miracle happens and we continue , have to be in premier , i will give it another try , perhaps

ray

so if lewis is suspended there will be only 3 eagles , r/r , and 3 guests . easy decision about attending this one . lakeside short of 2 , bjarne pedersen plus r/r in .

ray

apparently we are not allowed a guest for a suspended rider . so nobody in for bridger , we are still using r/r and we only have three eagles . what on earth is going to happen ?normally the guest facility stands for the number one rider , which is bridger.
how can it be right for eagles to suffer for the absence period of bridger applied by bspa when they were at belle vue and lost it because of rules , and to also only have 5 riders and r/r for the ban period when the club are not at fault ?!watta farce . club's fault i suppose for still failing , and now given up , on signing a replacement . what a farce our sport has become . Evil or Very Mad

how many fans will consider paying to watch eagles for this period -- or for the rest of the season :evil:david's change of title for website fully justified .this matter now on three threads of website Razz

the home and away fixtures and the rider's thread also .

Hebbs

You don't need long discussions to work out why the "Elite" Laughing

League is going down the pan, just read this thread.

Who would pay anything let alone £15 +++ to watch this. Team speedway this certainly is not. 40 years supporting the Eagles and if this is how things are going to be from now on I think I will give up. Crying or Very sad

Give us the same team (barring injuries), and some variety and we will all flood back. Premier League is the only way forward.

ray

after 40 years hebbs that is a helluva inditement against the situation .well BD doesn't care anymore , he has stated he is heading for the exit too . well it certainly shows even without his so called bombshell , and we don't matter .not even re-arranging the deckchairs on his titanic .

sussexbulldog

Think you will find that we are allowed a guest. See the Ipswich thread.

Edit not so sure now. It seems we would have guest if it were 28 days ban but not for two meetings. Twisted Evil

ray

guest for who david ?, i have lost the plot now . can't find my alzeimer tablets either Laughing

sussexbulldog

see my edited post.

ray

thanks for latest david . so guest for bridger, r/r for floppy , and two other guests , yet to be advised , for lukas and simon it seems . be intrested to hear who they are , hopefully not klindt and skornicki again

ComeOnYouSpurs

If Im keeping up with you correctly bulldog, the latest position is that we are not allowed a guest for Lewis......

Surely the whole ethos of team Speedway (averages, points limits etc) is to ensure that teams are as equal as possible and therefore (in theory) meetings remain close and exciting.

If we are not allowed some sort of facility during Lewis' ban this whole concept is thrown out the window.

How would the teams battling with Lakeside for a play-off place feel if The Hammers walk away from Arlington with an easy 4 point victory due to Eastbourne being forced to ride without a recognised no.1?

Would we then be fined, as on Monday night, for putting out a below strength team?

Personally, I think that from now till the end of the season I will be cheering on whoever our opposition happen to be.... Why? .... Because it would be one way of hopefully getting us into the Premier League for next season (via the relegation play-off) which I reckon is our only hope of having any sort of viable future.

So.... Come On You Hammers!!!!

ray

awaiting david's clarification COUS , and any news of the THREE GUESTS and r/r for floppy . that bspa rule book must be thicker than the bible , and the compilers very dense . yeah , no more elite on saturdays , don't think many of us disagree on that . saturdays ok , as long as it is premier . if this happens then attendaces will improve . if elite there will be horrendously reduced attendances , and new promoter will need his brain tested and lose even more than the present incompetants .on the other hand there may be no speedway and most of the blame will be on the same two .

parker

I have a question ....Against Ipswich Bridgers banned r/r for him due to 2 match ban Kylmakorpi replaces Floppy OK. Saturday against Lakeside we are looking for a big name to replace Lewis and r/r for Floppy. Now I thought when a rider is banned you can only have R/R for him have I got that wrong Confused

Travelator

Have been following all your posts and must say how disappointed I am with Lewis. Have always been a fan of him even though he has not always got things right but has certainly kept us entertained Exclamation

This latest episode is certainly something Bob or Trevor would not want to be dealing with as there are already enough problems Rolling Eyes

I will be there sat as Davey (especially as he has not been well), Cam, Lukas, Simon & Ricky did fantastic mon and deserve our support. Hope those riding sat will get a big cheer Very Happy

Have made great friends at Arlington and very sad meetings may be numbered! Hope and pray there is someone out there who is passionate about speedway and prepared to save Eagles Sad

Kevin54

mmmmethanol

How about Screeny?

If so, I hope he takes care of that shoulder...............

ComeOnYouSpurs

We've already got one of the Elite League's biggest names in for the meeting at Ipswich.....

After all.... Kylmakorpi is 10 letters long!!

ray

yes kevin , it could become a new pannel game for us to play on a saturday ----- whilst we are stting at home Idea

nice one COUS Laughing

ray

official website still cannot name guests . should it be "guest ", as they show simon and lukas riding !? thought they said they were away for international duty ?what is correct this time ?. no mention of complin , just guest , top liner , to be advised, for bridger Rolling Eyes

the lunatics have escaped and are running the asylum Rolling Eyes

Eagle1971

ray

now that site reports travis mcgowan in for david norris , so is it r/r for bridger . Confused

previous as posted . top guest for bridger; r/r for floppy ; davey; cam ; lukas ;simon; ricky . they'all over the place , every time we look it has changed . as said originally lukas and simon away on international duty .does anyone know what the team will be , the tom and jerry show Exclamation

think you may be wright eagle--- maybe they are trying to entice us there undaer false pretences .

ray

speedway star arrived a day late .elite league news section states floppy will definately not ride again this season .also kling[ not dryml] and simon were to miss this meeting, now kling ok and probably simon . oh , i have given up , not as if i can be there anyway . Shocked

emjay

Its all a complete farce at Arlington. I'll go to the Elite Pairs - which hopefully will be run competently by the super seven people - and that's it. No more of this who is going to ride for us this saturday. I'm not going to waste my money any more this season. And if there is no speedway at Arlington next season, so be it. After what we have put up with for the past few years, it will hardly be the end of the world. The poor old world (and its inhabitants) have much more serious things to worry about. Sorry about the rant guys, but really I am sick, weary and tired of the antics that go on in speedway.

MrB

1 down 2 to go then. Rolling Eyes

ComeOnYouSpurs

My sentiments exactly emjay....

When I think back to how well the club was run when the likes of Russell Lanning and Jon Cook were around and compare it to the shambles that it is now it's enough to make you weep!!

It will be a bit of a wrench to leave "the nest" but there are 3 or 4 better run and more professional clubs that are nearer and easier for me to get to.

The only reason I've put up with the rubbish that has been served up at Arlington over recent times is out of a sense of loyalty and for old times sake from the ex White City Rebels days.

But enough is enough.....

ray

please see my post on away fixture at ipswich . it is relevant to home and away meetings and the overall situation Sad

sussexbulldog

See front page re team for Saturday.

speedy dan boy

I suppose its fair enough Bob wanting to spend all the hours keeping his company going in hard times,BUT dont just leave the speedway to rot away and you have to think hes not really what the hardcore fans feeling are as well.Has Trevor Geer got a full time job outside speedway,does anyone know? if so fair enough ,he cant spend a lot of time to chase riders.GET someone who has the time,know how.How about MRS DUGARD Rolling Eyes

wHATS PAUL DUGARD DOING,OR MARTIN?even ask Bob Brim maybe to help without putting his cash on the line!! as others have said its looks like the club is running itself and there is only one way its going.

Sophies Mate

I can answer the question about Trevor - last I heard he worked for ROK in Eastbourne, can't remember what his job title is maybe - Chief Numpty or is in charge of static displays.

sussexbulldog

Trevor has full time employment and so has Martin.

I do not know about Paul.

I would have been at this meeting despite everything but my other half has swine flu so I will give it a miss. I normally sit with young children and it would not be fair to risk infecting them.

speedy dan boy

MD

ray

dugard employ the dugards and some ex-eagles . trevor went part-time as last year in his local job . well now they can concentrate on their proper jobs coz the never did at speedway Cool

mmmmethanol

Sorry guys, don't want to offend, but I feel some of the comments reference Trevor are over the top.
Yes, IMO as team manager he's been found wanting.
As supporters it's right to criticize on team matters, but to comment on his other employment & him personally is not on. I happen to know he's one of the most genuine guys you could meet.

sussexbulldog

I agree with that he is well respected at R O K and liked by those who work with him. He has also given a home to many overseas young speedway riders.

It is his ability as a team manager that is in doubt.

sussexbulldog

parker

ray

my post criticised him in his speedway employment only . have no idea about with ROK , but as they wanted to keep him full or part time they must be satisfied with him . i have referred to him as " ray's friend " as he is not working by himself . BD made a suprising choice to re-select him after the critism and lack of success last season . maybe there were no other options , but whatever he has again performed well below what was required . a square peg in a round hole . Rolling Eyes

ComeOnYouSpurs

The vast majority of posts on here have been critical of Trevor as team manager but have pointed out at the same time that he is a great bloke in every other aspect.

I agree with mmmmethanol that personal attacks are out of order but I think you'll find that they have been few and far apart.

ray

with you COUS . as some of you know my sense of humour is , shall we say "peculiar " , so a moment's of this to lighten up . what do the imams think when muslims get swine fever Laughing

Aussie2

speedy dan boy

AUSSIE 2 -please tell me the comments that you are unhappy with regarding Trevor.what are the exact quotes you refer to? HE is the team manager,team managers get flak.In this day and age i am sick and tired of people coming onto forums with some high moral issue.Knowone has abused Trevor,we all want the same thing,and if i was in the same job i would expect to take the flak for the team under performing.This is the angryiest ive been on the forum as for the life of me i dont know what people have said to offend Trevor,people really need to think before they post that someone has been offensive to someone.

ray

and who will be at least partially responsible if there is no speedway next year then ?! you don't have to be perfect when you see somebody or something that is substandard . else no one would have an opinion about anything .with you SPD

MrB

Back to the meeting...

I thought we were going to have half our team missing? If the argus is to be believed only Lewis and Floppy are out with Travis comming in, is this correct?? Confused

sussex bulldog

Simon road in meeting last night and is flying in today. Othet than Lewis and Floppy everyone else should be there. Shame I have to miss it.

ray

same situation as you david . as for team , and MrB's post ,why all the disinformation we recived about simon/ ricky and ales . what on earth is going on . Rolling Eyes

:!:well just have to wait and see--- as usual . hope team manager is aware . Surprised

wotsits · eagles /lakeside

ray

chris , if we have dryml, bridger and norris out we need 2 guests plus r/r . in the local press , some edition , stated ales and simon were away even before brdger was suspended , i posted to this effect at the time . as it is we only have mcgowan . suppose shcramm might be available . i honestly gave up after so much disinformation . cannot be there anyway .

parker

ray

thanks paul .appears relevant meetings did take place last night . Cool

parker

Good Meeting to win, Great to see the "Ant Eater" go home point less,Reasonable crowd despite very few Lakeside fans there. And of course with the North London OAPs giving the meeting a miss the average age of attendees was greatly reduced Laughing

MD

I didnt go last night, yeah yeah still sulking over Shields latest injury, was it a good meeting?

What was the crowd like?

A few people have told me that Lukas won Eastie the meeting for fencing Bjarne Pedersen twice, is this true or is it just bitter hammers fans?

Kopster

Yeah it look like they were about to get married in the centregreen. Very Happy

parker

MrB

Yes Lukas ran Bjarne wide in his first race nut was harshly excluded when Bjarne fell as he ran out of room, should have been all 4 back. The next crash Lukas was clearly faster and nudged Bjarne on the exit of bend 4 and as he passed Bjarne it looked like his footrest went into Bjarne's front wheel, a racing incident really although I guess Lukas was corectly excluded in that one. Interesting comments from Lewis' grandad and Trevor Geer during the interval and clearly they didn't agree! As you all know I'm a big Lewis fan but cannot defend on this. Clearly there is more to the whole situation than has been reported as Trevor unwittingly gave away last night but at present I'm not sure I want to drag that up!

ray

think he will follow overseas trail next year , BD promised him at beginning of year he could further himself next seasonl

parker

ray

absolutely true , we have been on the roller coaster with him , sometimes some of us have tried to get off . but he is so exiting , but must broaden his horizons of speedway and life . some guy called briggo was very similar in many ways , hope lewis will emulate him . has to ride with and against the best , so it will have to be overseas . the risks he takes[ and all speedway riders ] it is only right he should be paid enough for it . no , no point in manchester city trying to sign him , but he deserves to move onto the top . what a schedhule riders like him have , what injuries occur , the travelling alone is incredible . Rolling Eyes

move on lewis ,if we run next season [ oh please !!!!] dugard will not be promoter but his promise must be honoured , think he probably has some ownership of lewis , and hopefully we will be in the premier .if it goes this way , then premier will change like previous amalgamation did , and maybe some of the team can be fitted in , including lukas . add to this other junior assets , sounds exciting .
we can dream , can't we Razz

Aussie2

At this moment in time there is no chance of any team from the Elite League stepping down. As long as the Elite League reamins 10 or below, the Premier League will NOT allow any Elite League team to step down After this year there will probably be only 8 teams, unless any of the Premier decide to step up. This I rather doubt, because of the cost.

ray

see response in "season's last meeting " thread chances of elite having 8 teams or more is financially remote . it will onlyhave as many as can afford and wish to join , so they are likely of running with less , or not running at all

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