Dugard threatens to shut down junior track - full story is on the front page.
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ray
oh , very constructive ! so no more dugards , norris' , barkers , bridgers , kennetts , and the like . is that how he thinks . something about cutting off nose and face springs to mind .so then HE will have to buy riders . and how is this going to hurt coventry ? who is it going to hurt ? well might it just be eastbourne speedway and the fans ?!!! pathetic .
Hebbs
Agree with you Ray, I think Bob should engage brain befire opening mouth! Perhaps he should have agreed to a loan deal or he shouldn't have started negotiations at such a silly price.
Having said that I can see why he must be P*****d off with teams like Coventry etc pinching our home grown talent; letting others pay for the facilities and put in the development time so that they can reap the benefits.
Bob is right in principle, but makes himself look an right a**e with his ranting press releases.
ray
he didn't want a loan deal with adam either , we know riders move teams all the time , that is what happens in speedway . this means he and us all lose .
agree it is upsetting , but no point in self destructing . lewis wanted to go out on loan this season too , at one stage . with lack of outside sponsorship [ and who's at fault there ?] he presumabley could not afford to give them both a deal that would change their minds . see he has agreed to lewis going out on loan next season , if necessary .
but look at the assets that returned in the past , martin , david , deano , and many others over the seasons . none of them were sold .
sussexbulldog
Just hope that it was an April Fool's joke. I note there is no reference to it on the other side
parker
Hebbs wrote:
Agree with you Ray, I think Bob should engage brain befire opening mouth! Perhaps he should have agreed to a loan deal or he shouldn't have started negotiations at such a silly price.
Having said that I can see why he must be P*****d off with teams like Coventry etc pinching our home grown talent; letting others pay for the facilities and put in the development time so that they can reap the benefits.
Bob is right in principle, but makes himself look an right a**e with his ranting press releases.
What ever the rights and wrong of the Dugard /Kennett rift Eastbourne should be entitled to a far transfer fee for him. I dont blame Bob for fighting his corner over this and maybe his tactics leave a lot to be desired. But the bottom line is the club needs that cash and a cut price fee would most definitely encourage teams to court Lewis as Bob states. The other thing is we are most certainly not going to change Bob hes to long in the tooth for that
As for he Adam Shield saga surely that was Brimson he was the owner/ promoter of the club over that period.
Kevin54
One hopes that a fair deal will be reached, though if the BSPA are involved, and Pratt is the other party....................
As for shutting the junior track, what the hell would that achieve
There are not that many outlets for youngsters, this just sounds like the spoilt kid in the playground not getting their own way, so they take their football away so no one else can play.
It may be an April Fool, if so poor taste.
nug
Kevin54 wrote:
One hopes that a fair deal will be reached, though if the BSPA are involved, and Pratt is the other party....................
As for shutting the junior track, what the hell would that achieve
There are not that many outlets for youngsters, this just sounds like the spoilt kid in the playground not getting their own way, so they take their football away so no one else can play.
It may be an April Fool, if so poor taste.
But like bob says, what will he achieve by keeping it open.
ray
maybe that behaviour is contagious when people take the reins at eagles parker , but don't remember cook acting that way . whatever he and douglas do at lakeside , and have to admit they do it well , watta improvement on the russell era , making that stadium homely , attractive and comfortable is one helluva task .they say do don't miss certain peopole until they have gone , well somehow those days seemed calm and organised . agree BD will never change , we need him , but he needs us . we should appreciate eachother . still hope martin will become involved more , be good for his dad , the riders and the fans .
as for what he will achieve nug , is a future for eagles and fans . many teams survive in several sports by unearthing and developing talent , poole are often saying how they envy our facilities and production of riders , who else own and control their own club and facilities . we are very fortunate .
nug
as for what he will achieve nug , is a future for eagles and fans . many teams survive in several sports by unearthing and developing talent , poole are often saying how they envy our facilities and production of riders , who else own and control their own club and facilities . we are very fortunate .
he is not saying shut the club down as a whole tho is he, only the junior facilities, i can see his point, it cant be cheap with all the insurance needed for the juniors as well as time and effort nedded to put in for many years only to get a slap across the face when a rider you have looked after and brought up in the sport wants to leave. It comes across that having assets aint worth it. Look at bell vue with jason crump, they pay all that money to poole to have him back as an asset then he dont wanna ride over here after one year, cant even get a loan fee for him, cheers then,
MrB
nug wrote:
Kevin54 wrote:
One hopes that a fair deal will be reached, though if the BSPA are involved, and Pratt is the other party....................
As for shutting the junior track, what the hell would that achieve
There are not that many outlets for youngsters, this just sounds like the spoilt kid in the playground not getting their own way, so they take their football away so no one else can play.
It may be an April Fool, if so poor taste.
But like bob says, what will he achieve by keeping it open.
Maybe a few future riders who know what the word loyalty means!
parker
ray wrote:
watta improvement on the russell era , making that stadium homely , attractive and comfortable is one helluva task .fans .
Youve obviously not been to Lakeside then
As for what he will achieve nug , is a future for eagles and fans . many teams survive in several sports by unearthing and developing talent , poole are often saying how they envy our facilities and production of riders , who else own and control their own club and facilities . we are very fortunate .[/quote]We are, but what is the point if other clubs unsettle your talented youngsters and then get then possibly on the cheap at arbitration. it also costs money to run and maintain the junior track and what with only 800 coming through the gate, ex season ticket holders holding seating protests perhaps BD is firing off a few threats, next thing will be the threat of closure
ray
again parker , have yopu been to specsavers yet . i posted new management are an improvement , said they had lot do do iro the stadium itself , not that they had done it . the management has improved , the marketing , the team and the overall aura of the club , but there is only so much anyone can do with a pig's ear .
parker
ray wrote:
, whatever he and douglas do at lakeside , and have to admit they do it well , watta improvement on the russell era , making that stadium homely , attractive and comfortable is one helluva task .they say do don't miss certain peopole until they have gone .
Am I reading this wrong ray, I assume you are talking about Lakeside and what Cook is doing there. If so explain the improvements to the stadium at Lakeside Raceway
ray
. please read my last post again , this time carefully.the stadium is the pig's ear , ok think about it .
peppapig
thought this little piggy should poke its snout in here, the kids pay £25 to use the track or £35 if they use a club bike so it doesn`t cost Bob a penny.
Also the fence and grandstand were kindly built and donated free of charge by a sponsor so no cost there.
The staff are all working for nothing, just the pleasure of helping the kids learn to ride so no cost there either.
Martin Hagon donated all the bikes so no cost there.
So where is it costing Bob then Parker?
As for closing the track because of the Ed saga, well all its doing is punishing 6 and 7 year olds(and older) so where`s the sense in that? As has been mentioned previously by Mr Stocks we have had some top riders come through but that doesn`t mean they have to have a life sentance at Eastbourne does it?
Bob told Ed to put in a transfer request didn`t he ? so thats what he did.
Only one with egg on his face here and he`s seeing fit to take it out on a load of kids, how mature and what a role model, he must be very proud.
Kevin54
Interesting points, Mr Pig.
The Kennett saga has certainly stirred our promoter up, and to a certain extent I have sympathy with him, but only to a degree.
Kennett was an assett, yet he spent more time riding against us than for us
This would have been the 3rd season out of the last 4 if BD had granted his wish.
Do folk really think you can have a rider on your books who gives every impression of not wanting to ride for you?
I'm not surprised BD told him he could go, permanently.
However BD has handled this very badly.
An £80,000 asking price: obviously set with the intention of warding off any interested parties.
Coventry get interested, but not at the figure he wants.
Wowee, someone else will pay his price, AND loan Kennett to us for the season as they can't fit him in their team this year!!
The only trouble with that is he can't produce this wonderful buyer, and he ends up looking a bit daft.
Coventry have a paddy, reduce their offer, BD now says that Kennett can go on loan after all.
All this would possibly not need to have happened if BD had acted like a rational reasoned buisinessman, not the schoolyard bully who did not get his own way.
Jon Cook, someone who I think we can all agree is pretty much spot on with his views on Speedway, reckons Kennetts worth to be in the region of £25,000.
Let's all hope that this learned and wise body of people who will make up the tribunual are of the same mind, and that this whole sorry and embaressing,(for the name of the club), matter can come to a close.
NEITHER of the two main charecters come out of this very well.
ray
welcome back peppapig , you have been missed . cut the mr . stocks bit please , makes me sound venerable , respectful , well behaved---- boring infact . can do all these things , but " boring " only parker thinks that coz my comments regularly on £1 for stadium entry .
all your points on the costings of the junior track are very informative and makes BDs rants even less understandable . kevin , BD told kennett he could only leave if he was sold , there is wrong on both sides . but anyone incurring BDs wrath would want to leave anyway .
Aussie2
I can understand BD's frustration. Much talent has been developed at the junior track, and other teams have reaped the benefit. Why is it that other tracks do not develop their own riders, but let Eastbourne do the hard work, and then want to pinch them at a knockdown price.
parker
peppapig wrote:
thought this little piggy should poke its snout in here, the kids pay £25 to use the track or £35 if they use a club bike so it doesn`t cost Bob a penny.
Also the fence and grandstand were kindly built and donated free of charge by a sponsor so no cost there.
The staff are all working for nothing, just the pleasure of helping the kids learn to ride so no cost there either.
Martin Hagon donated all the bikes so no cost there.
So where is it costing Bob then Parker?
As for closing the track because of the Ed saga, well all its doing is punishing 6 and 7 year olds(and older) so where`s the sense in that? As has been mentioned previously by Mr Stocks we have had some top riders come through but that doesn`t mean they have to have a life sentance at Eastbourne does it?
Bob told Ed to put in a transfer request didn`t he ? so thats what he did.
Only one with egg on his face here and he`s seeing fit to take it out on a load of kids, how mature and what a role model, he must be very proud.
I'm not in of favour the junior track closing, and I agree that punishing 6 and 7 year olds isnt in the best interests of any club and I was hoping that we entered an eaglets in the new National league but I suppose any hpoe of that went with Martin Hagon. However I can understand his concern about how much transfer fee the club will get for Eddie whether or not its his own fault Peppapig posts interesting facts on the junior track hadnt any idea that the fencing and grandstand were donated. What with BD s statement regarding B fixtures and his latest threat to the Junior track next it will be total closure.
peppapig
Aussie2 wrote:
I can understand BD's frustration. Much talent has been developed at the junior track, and other teams have reaped the benefit. Why is it that other tracks do not develop their own riders, but let Eastbourne do the hard work, and then want to pinch them at a knockdown price.
in answer to your question "why do other clubs not develop their own riders", quite a few do with their second halfs etc but we are in a better position than most in that most other clubs don`t own the land they race on and therefore can`t simply build a junior track.
The other point is this, where do our kids go when they are to big for the junior track? as a rushed through second half where they do 3 heats in 10 minutes is not good, as they overheat engines and tire out to quickly.
In most cases they then have to ride for other clubs in the lower leagues such as Rye House or Sittingbourne etc.
So ,if they then do good in div3 they then need 2 or 3 years in the premier ( Lewis being an exception due to his outstanding talent)
Look what happened to Edward when he was put in the Elite to early.
At the present time BD has no interest in the youngsters whatsoever and this shows, the excuse about not training kids to lose them to other tracks is hogwash to an extent.
At least last year we saw an improvement with the junior meetings on gp nights and full second halfs with lads from all over the country coming down to participate.
Surely the good people of Sussex are entitled to a full second half for their hard earned cash in this economic climate, as £15 to watch 15minutes of watered down `Elite` speedway is to much I think.( and then paying to sit etc, christ, Bobs got more stelth taxes up his sleeve than those Labour morons)
Anyway best shut up now before I get sent to slaughter!!
ray
will do my best to "save your bacon ", as we rant and snort about the same things .your explanation and comments are most educational and valid . hope you haven't upset parker with a political comment , which the country now agrees with , what ever you do don't mention maggie [ god bless and keep her ] oops now i am doing it.naughty raymond !!!
it seemed BD was not really intrested in the youngsters or the national league the way the rent he demande from hagon caused the abandonnment of the whole project . martin was going to manage and probably sponsor it . bearing in mind what you have told us about the financial assistance the track recieved , what was BD asking rent for anyway !?
Kevin54
So the question needs to be asked;
Bob got £29,000 for Kennett, a figure he is on record as saying he is happy with.
Come on Bob, put your money where your mouth is and RE-OPEN THE JUNIOR TRACK
Why make the potential stars of tomorrow, and other youngsters, suffer because you could not get your own way and force Kennett to stay.
ray
so he has £29,000 , and happy with it . so he cannot lose , open the track for the boys . you get to have the lewis' and sell the kennetts . only an idiot would throw that away
parker
Kevin54 wrote:
So the question needs to be asked;
Bob got £29,000 for Kennett, a figure he is on record as saying he is happy with.
Come on Bob, put your money where your mouth is and RE-OPEN THE JUNIOR TRACK
Why make the potential stars of tomorrow, and other youngsters, suffer because you could not get your own way and force Kennett to stay.
Did he shut it then? I know he threatened to but hadnt realised he'd actually gone ahead and done it. If so then I agree with you but Bob turning away the chance of even alittle bit of cash would he do that.
Peppapig makes good argument in his above post for why bob should keep it open or reopen it.
MD
Its not really a case of BD shutting the junior track, more a fact that he just has not opened it all season yet!
Kevin54
MD wrote:
Its not really a case of BD shutting the junior track, more a fact that he just has not opened it all season yet!
Sorry if that was wrong, MD, just picked up something from "next door" regarding the junior track
Mind you, he has not got a reason NOT to open it now
Kopster
Could this be the first signs that this could be the last season for The Eagles . If there isn't no youngster coming through where are we going to see the next floppy or lewis from.
speedy dan boy
I may be wrong but i think Bob built the track in the first place for his sons,maybe when martin and paul have kids older enough he may reopen it!!!
ray
seems more than possible kopster , what a pathetic way to behave , guess he's still sulking about something , he usually is .really our only chance next season , now we will see this one through , is a new promotion --- but every one who has tried that has not lasted long . hard to imagine anyone getting involved with him . maybe martin , a son perhaps , but the son-in- law , no chance . cook holds the record , and look at his amazing and professional promotion . the london riders championship and all that is involved shows just how pathetic ours is . perhaps i exaggerate , there isn't any . wonder if he throws office equipment around when he loses his temper like brown . there are certain similarities--- a terrible thing to say about anyone , but if the cap fits -------
sussexbulldog
Ray have you stopped taking your tablets again ?
ray
so you guessed . sometimes most of us have to speak our minds , whilst we still have them .but this particular theme is so frustrating , when we try to help , as we have , we are ignored and in some cases abused . think he needs the tablets even more than me . he should not be referred to as a promoter ---- coz he isn't .
and how is this going to hurt coventry ? 
who is it going to hurt ? well might it just be eastbourne speedway and the fans ?!!! pathetic .
perhaps BD is firing off a few threats, next thing will be the threat of closure
